Memo to GOP: Obama has a mandate

[Onceler]

Bush claimed a mandate after losing the popular vote. Obama won resoudingly by comparison, and he won when economy was the #1 issue on voters' minds, and it was fairly clear what path he was going to pursue as far as stimulus goes.

Here we are with a bill that is 60% spending, and 40% tax cuts, and the GOP wants more? They're out there proclaiming this will be a "disaster," after 8 years of fiscal mismanagement?

They've really shown what they are about over the past couple of weeks. For anyone who thinks otherwise, Democrats would have been crucified for pulling this BS in a new President's 1st month. They've been emoldened by Limbaugh, and I hope it puts the final nail in their coffin.

After this thing passes, all they can hope for is the sequel to the Great Depression. If it works, they're toast.

 

[meme]

so you don't care one way or the other if this thing should fail? as long as you can claim it's a win for Obama..

Obstruction is all the Democrats did during the Bush administration, but of course they were praised for that..

 

[Onceler]

so you don't care one way or the other if this thing should fail? as long as you can claim it's a win for Obama..

Obstruction is all the Democrats did during the Bush administration, but of course they were praised for that..

That's ridiculous, on both counts. This bill HAS to succeed; I care more about that than an entire political party seems to.

"Obstruction is all the Democrats did" - again, bull. I can find dozens of posts on this board from brain-dead righties like yourself giving Dems "equal credit" for Iraq.

This is the 1st major piece of legislation for a President with a pretty clear mandate, and the GOP decides to posture. It's embarassing, and yeah, I hope it burns them.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

This bill HAS to succeed; I care more about that than an entire political party seems to.

then when it fails, will you become a libertarian convert?

 

[Topspin]

it won't fail, recessions end and even if it's not due to this Dems will credit the messiah.
boo yaah

 

[evince]

This has historical backing folks. Its worked in the past.

What the Rs want to do has failed to deliever time and time again (gave us this mess in the first place).

What the libertarians want has never worked in any economy.


FDR proved this works folks.


When it works will you become a democratic convert?

 

[evince]

so you don't care one way or the other if this thing should fail? as long as you can claim it's a win for Obama..

Obstruction is all the Democrats did during the Bush administration, but of course they were praised for that..

What obstruction?

They were not allowed to do shit.

Your team acted like full on bullies and the results were this intractable mess you fool.

 

[Chapdog]

Is very concerned with he level of corruption we will see from this. Handing money out to state governments is asking for trouble. I wish they would at the same time initiate a law whereas any criminal act with this money results in 20years minimum with no patrol to deter the scum in cities like Chicago or Boston.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Is very concerned with he level of corruption we will see from this. Handing money out to state governments is asking for trouble. I wish they would at the same time initiate a law whereas any criminal act with this money results in 20years minimum with no patrol to deter the scum in cities like Chicago or Boston.

No patrol? lol....

I would agree, this needs to be very transparent. That was the problem with the first portion of TARP. The second half and this package need complete transparency.

As for the penalties, I would take them even harsher. Make it clear... you misuse funds, you lose your assets and go to jail for life. Period.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

This has historical backing folks. Its worked in the past.

link please.

What the Rs want to do has failed to deliever time and time again (gave us this mess in the first place).

link please

What the libertarians want has never worked in any economy.

worked very well for the first hundred years of this country.

FDR proved this works folks.

its been proven beyond doubt that FDRs new deal plan on spending delayed recovery and extended the depression.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409

 

[Bonestorm]

link please.

link please

worked very well for the first hundred years of this country.


its been proven beyond doubt that FDRs new deal plan on spending delayed recovery and extended the depression.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409

Hilarious.

 

[cawacko]

Hilarious.

I know we have differing political beliefs but what is hilarious about it?

 

[Bonestorm]

I know we have differing political beliefs but what is hilarious about it?

It is self-evident. "Proven beyond doubt . . ." is probably the wing-nuttiest shit I've read in a while.

 

[cawacko]

It is self-evident. "Proven beyond doubt . . ." is probably the wing-nuttiest shit I've read in a while.

did you find it funny that it is proven that FDR's planned worked or proven beyond doubt that it didn't?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It is self-evident. "Proven beyond doubt . . ." is probably the wing-nuttiest shit I've read in a while.

but you can't refute it now, can you. you lose fucktard.

 

[Damocles]

did you find it funny that it is proven that FDR's planned worked or proven beyond doubt that it didn't?

I believe he finds it funny that it is "beyond doubt" in either direction. An argument that has been going on for almost 80 years has now been resolved by one link... I don't find it funny.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I believe he finds it funny that it is "beyond doubt" in either direction. An argument that has been going on for almost 80 years has now been resolved by one link...

when the socialist liberals headquarters of indoctrination and education camps studies and labels the new deal plan as an extender of the depression, wouldn't it sort of dictate that this is irrefutable?

 

[Bonestorm]

I believe he finds it funny that it is "beyond doubt" in either direction. An argument that has been going on for almost 80 years has now been resolved by one link...

Bingo.

I also find it amusing that the same people that are forced to concede that government spending via WWII ended the Great Depression argue without irony that government spending via the New Deal made things worse.

 

[cawacko]

I believe he finds it funny that it is "beyond doubt" in either direction. An argument that has been going on for almost 80 years has now been resolved by one link... I don't find it funny.

Onceler, whose Democratics credentials probably wouldn't be questioned by many here, has stated we don't know if this stimulus plan will work but we have to do something. Many other 'professional' economists or leading political minds have stated the same. Yet Desh says it is proven to have worked and will work now. Ok.

As far as 'proven beyond doubt' I don't know if that's possible in a political environment.

 

[Damocles]

Onceler, whose Democratics credentials probably wouldn't be questioned by many here, has stated we don't know if this stimulus plan will work but we have to do something. Many other 'professional' economists or leading political minds have stated the same. Yet Desh says it is proven to have worked and will work now. Ok.

As far as 'proven beyond doubt' I don't know if that's possible in a political environment.

Honestly, how do you think Obama would be viewed if he did nothing, it got worse for a short period then got better in a shorter period than it would take if he does something? Nobody would know how much pain he "saved" them from, he'd be in history as bad even if it was the right choice. Who is going to do that? Couple that with the ideology that the government is there to solve all problems (yes, hyperbole people) including overgrown nose hair and what do you expect?

It will get better, whether we do this or no. And truth to tell, the US is better positioned than many, many other nations with debts that overshadow their GDP by a long-shot.

Now that the GOP in the Senate got hold of it and peed all over it, it's time to either poop or get off the pot. Why go through all the Amendments if you were never going to vote for it anyway?