Marcus Smart shoves fan in the stands in loss

Sun Devil

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See story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/marcus-smart-shoves-fan-loss/story?id=22429765

I wish people understood that you cannot always say what you want at games just because you've bought tickets, just as you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater just because you feel that you have free speech. Now at this point there is a current investigation on what Mr. Orr the fan said to Smart while in the stands, but of course there are allegations against Mr. Orr for using racial slurs against Mr. Smart but there are reports that those sitting next to Mr. Orr claimed that he didn't but there are other reports citing that he did. What is most obvious is that Mr. Smart will have a tarnished image of someone who reacted violently and judging by the comments I've read in the above link that much is apparent.

Growing up, my mother used to tell me that it doesn't matter how smart you are, how successful or rich you are in this society you are still a "nigga" in the eyes of those who see you as less than human. Despite it being 2014 I still believe such a philosophy still holds true. This man Smart unlike most talented college athletes decided to stay another year instead of going to the NBA. If you asked me he should do all 4 years, graduate and get his degree then jump the ship but this is his life. The point is, is that nobody is going to care about what Mr. Orr said, all they are going to see is a 19 year-old black kid (I call him a kid because compared to my age of 31 going on 32 he is a kid in my eyes) shove some fat white guy. Society will immediately label him (which if you read the comment section it's already proven) he is a "thug" and is ghetto. Such racially charged words such as "thug" and "ghetto" especially towards someone like Smart who reacted inappropriately are sure signs that we still have a long way to go.

I personally believe that we need to really start setting rules and start holding fans accountable for their behavior. Remember, a lot of these sports venues sell beer and beer or any alcoholic beverage is what I call liquid courage. Most people who do have hostile and racist intentions aren't going to say what they feel publicly or in the face of those whom they have such negative feelings towards, but if you get them drinking that liquid courage that is when those feelings come out. On this matter regardless I still say punish Mr. Smart and talk to him about the consequences of physical violence despite being taunted by racist words. Mr. Smart needs to understand that in life and especially someone who is at the pinnacle of their athletic career are always going to be targeted because 1) He is black 2) He will be black with millions of dollars which unfortunately will prompt people to try to test his ability of restraint. I also think Mr. Orr ought to be punished and if it is proven that he was using racist words he needs to be banned from the games.

People need to understand that free speech no matter what venue does not mean free from consequence and that is what people need to realize. Freedom of Speech is not freedom of responsibility. We all are accountable for what we say and this extends beyond the sports venues but just in life period. I think the NCAA, and especially FIFA need to take these things seriously, because quite frankly soccer (or futbol) has the most hostile fans of any sport today, but if we don't hold fans accountable for hostile behavior which leads to violence we only allow such behaviors to continue.
 
He'll get suspended 3 to 5 games and it's forgotten.
He goes to the league and they all laugh about it.
The fat white guy will be stigmatized at any social gathering not klan or NRA meeting.
 
See story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/marcus-smart-shoves-fan-loss/story?id=22429765

I wish people understood that you cannot always say what you want at games just because you've bought tickets, just as you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater just because you feel that you have free speech. Now at this point there is a current investigation on what Mr. Orr the fan said to Smart while in the stands, but of course there are allegations against Mr. Orr for using racial slurs against Mr. Smart but there are reports that those sitting next to Mr. Orr claimed that he didn't but there are other reports citing that he did. What is most obvious is that Mr. Smart will have a tarnished image of someone who reacted violently and judging by the comments I've read in the above link that much is apparent.

Growing up, my mother used to tell me that it doesn't matter how smart you are, how successful or rich you are in this society you are still a "nigga" in the eyes of those who see you as less than human. Despite it being 2014 I still believe such a philosophy still holds true. This man Smart unlike most talented college athletes decided to stay another year instead of going to the NBA. If you asked me he should do all 4 years, graduate and get his degree then jump the ship but this is his life. The point is, is that nobody is going to care about what Mr. Orr said, all they are going to see is a 19 year-old black kid (I call him a kid because compared to my age of 31 going on 32 he is a kid in my eyes) shove some fat white guy. Society will immediately label him (which if you read the comment section it's already proven) he is a "thug" and is ghetto. Such racially charged words such as "thug" and "ghetto" especially towards someone like Smart who reacted inappropriately are sure signs that we still have a long way to go.

I personally believe that we need to really start setting rules and start holding fans accountable for their behavior. Remember, a lot of these sports venues sell beer and beer or any alcoholic beverage is what I call liquid courage. Most people who do have hostile and racist intentions aren't going to say what they feel publicly or in the face of those whom they have such negative feelings towards, but if you get them drinking that liquid courage that is when those feelings come out. On this matter regardless I still say punish Mr. Smart and talk to him about the consequences of physical violence despite being taunted by racist words. Mr. Smart needs to understand that in life and especially someone who is at the pinnacle of their athletic career are always going to be targeted because 1) He is black 2) He will be black with millions of dollars which unfortunately will prompt people to try to test his ability of restraint. I also think Mr. Orr ought to be punished and if it is proven that he was using racist words he needs to be banned from the games.

People need to understand that free speech no matter what venue does not mean free from consequence and that is what people need to realize. Freedom of Speech is not freedom of responsibility. We all are accountable for what we say and this extends beyond the sports venues but just in life period. I think the NCAA, and especially FIFA need to take these things seriously, because quite frankly soccer (or futbol) has the most hostile fans of any sport today, but if we don't hold fans accountable for hostile behavior which leads to violence we only allow such behaviors to continue.

Sun Devil, did you write this?
 
Rule number one you know as an athlete you cannnot go after fans in the crowd. You can't.

I've heard the argument made that these kids aren't professionals and don't deserve the abuse from fans pro athletes get. I agree with that. However having sat in multiple different students sections for games though college kids are freaking brutal on opposing players. And while race is always an issue I've heard multiple white players just got railed on unmercifully.

The author mentions alcohol but they don't sell alcohol at college events (well certain places have private bars for high level donors).

Oklahoma St was down two with under a minute left when Smart got T'd up. That's just dumb. He lost his composure and cost his team.
 
He'll get suspended 3 to 5 games and it's forgotten.
He goes to the league and they all laugh about it.
The fat white guy will be stigmatized at any social gathering not klan or NRA meeting.

I just read that he will be suspended for 3 games
 
Rule number one you know as an athlete you cannnot go after fans in the crowd. You can't.

I've heard the argument made that these kids aren't professionals and don't deserve the abuse from fans pro athletes get. I agree with that. However having sat in multiple different students sections for games though college kids are freaking brutal on opposing players. And while race is always an issue I've heard multiple white players just got railed on unmercifully.

The author mentions alcohol but they don't sell alcohol at college events (well certain places have private bars for high level donors).

Oklahoma St was down two with under a minute left when Smart got T'd up. That's just dumb. He lost his composure and cost his team.

He lost his composure when dude went at him. I saw the foul he made when dude was going up but you're right, Smart needs to understand that fans are going to be assholes and it doesn't matter if they're white, black, yellow, or orange. As you know cawacko at our rivalry games with UCLA the shit gets intense. I think with every USC vs UCLA game I've seen at least 2 fights.
 
The fat fan will be embarrassed as hell,
Or he's as douchey as he is obese.

It's both...I mean dont get me wrong I've seen assholes like this at Laker games but these kids aren't even getting paid to put up with this bullshit. I'm surprised he got away with this.
 
He lost his composure when dude went at him. I saw the foul he made when dude was going up but you're right, Smart needs to understand that fans are going to be assholes and it doesn't matter if they're white, black, yellow, or orange. As you know cawacko at our rivalry games with UCLA the shit gets intense. I think with every USC vs UCLA game I've seen at least 2 fights.

Yeah, 'SC and UCLA games are brutal, especially when you are students. I unfortunately watched our game last night when we lost to those a*holes at Galen.

Did you see this article with Ron Artest's comments toward Smart? Pretty good.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ld-peace-says-marcus-smart-learn-fan-incident

I like how Artest says you need to that negative energy from the fans and turn it into positive energy against your opponent.

We all make mistakes as kids and hopefully Smart uses this as fuel to make himself a better player and person.
 
It's both...I mean dont get me wrong I've seen assholes like this at Laker games but these kids aren't even getting paid to put up with this bullshit. I'm surprised he got away with this.

Some stadiums will ban these types cause they don't want their kids around it. He was getting patted on the back by fat white woman. And it's Texas so it's klanny as fuck.
 
Just read the fan, Jeff Orr, said he called Smart 'a piece of crap'. Texas Tech put out a statement that other fans are saying they heard no racial slur used. Not sure if Smart has made a comment on what was said.

It's an unfortunate incident all around.
 
You're 31? I thought you just graduated or did you do graduate work at 'SC? Or just go to school later?

(edit: not judging at all just curious)

I took some time off school in '00....well I took more than a couple years off actually and didn't attend the Univeristy until '04 due to not dealing with my mothers passing. I went to CSUDH (California State University Dominguez Hills in '04 and graduated in '09 (It took a year longer cause I double majored) got accept to USC for fall of '09 got my masters in '12. I thought I said all of this before? You probably thought I did undergrad at SC' or something but nah just did graduate school.
 
Yeah, 'SC and UCLA games are brutal, especially when you are students. I unfortunately watched our game last night when we lost to those a*holes at Galen.

Did you see this article with Ron Artest's comments toward Smart? Pretty good.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ld-peace-says-marcus-smart-learn-fan-incident

I like how Artest says you need to that negative energy from the fans and turn it into positive energy against your opponent.

We all make mistakes as kids and hopefully Smart uses this as fuel to make himself a better player and person.

Did Artest make that comment after he took his Zoloft meds?
 
I took some time off school in '00....well I took more than a couple years off actually and didn't attend the Univeristy until '04 due to not dealing with my mothers passing. I went to CSUDH (California State University Dominguez Hills in '04 and graduated in '09 (It took a year longer cause I double majored) got accept to USC for fall of '09 got my masters in '12. I thought I said all of this before? You probably thought I did undergrad at SC' or something but nah just did graduate school.

Sorry, I missed that when you said it. Cool. Fight On.
 
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