Last Dance for Reaganomics?

Taichiliberal

Shaken, not stirred!
Perhaps all those Republican/tea party/libertarian/oathers/birthers/threepers/neocon/bluedog voters who are out there with no job or unemployment benefits are FINALLY waking up. If not, here's something for them to chew on:


The final nail in the supply side coffin
Broken recovery: Taxes are low and corporate profits are high, but nothing is trickling down to the American worker



http://www.salon.com/technology/how...7/06/the_final_nail_in_the_supply_side_coffin
 
wow love salon, the do great limosine liberal yucking it up.

I guess that's why Obama is getting in his final supply side tax cuts. LOFL
 
Perhaps all those Republican/tea party/libertarian/oathers/birthers/threepers/neocon/bluedog voters who are out there with no job or unemployment benefits are FINALLY waking up. If not, here's something for them to chew on:


The final nail in the supply side coffin
Broken recovery: Taxes are low and corporate profits are high, but nothing is trickling down to the American worker



http://www.salon.com/technology/how...7/06/the_final_nail_in_the_supply_side_coffin

Like we didn't see it coming.

"What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession."
 
Like we didn't see it coming.

"What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession."

The biggest breaker of labor unions has been globalization. If you can find a way to end globalization you can probably bring private sector unions back as a force. In addition the 'new economy' i.e. - technology, is not the type of field where labor unions are going to get involved. Without eliminating many of the new technological gains of the past two decades and the economic rise of countries such as China and India I'm not sure how labor unions will ever become a force again in the U.S. private sector.
 
Like we didn't see it coming.

"What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession."
I'm not overly sympathetic to labor. If they want their fair share of the pie, whining about it won't get them any where. Labor needs to get off it's ass and do something about but as loong as their happy swilling Budweiser and watching NASCAR and voting for right wing politicians who don't have their economic interest at heart......well it's hard to feel sorry for them.
 
Taichi
Go take econ 101

So voodoo economics, trickle down, tax cuts for the rich for the last 30 yrs has worked and we're now enjoying the benefits of this ideology?

Oh I get it. The plan all along was to crash the economy, export production and turn this country into an oligarchy. That plan has worked.
 
for the ignorant on economics
there this tiny thing called the business cycle
recessions happen ever 7 or so years

The economy is about to bigger than is was when it was inflated with bullshit real estate loans.
how the fuck is it wrecked again?
 
The biggest breaker of labor unions has been globalization. If you can find a way to end globalization you can probably bring private sector unions back as a force. In addition the 'new economy' i.e. - technology, is not the type of field where labor unions are going to get involved. Without eliminating many of the new technological gains of the past two decades and the economic rise of countries such as China and India I'm not sure how labor unions will ever become a force again in the U.S. private sector.

If labor unions want to regain the grounds they have lost in the last 30 years the first damn thing they have to do is admit to them selves that they are broken and need fixed. The opponent of labor unions are weatlhy, with deep pockets and are very well organized. Labor Unions have to face facts that all is not well, that they have ruthless opponents who want to reduce or eliminate them all together. That this threat is very real and not exaggerated at all. The solutions for labor unions are not rocket science. It just takes organization and leadership that can get the job done, which they seem to lack the will to do, quite suprizing considering their opponents are very motivated. Here's some common sense things labor unions can do which would improve their position;

#1. QUITE BEING PUSSY's! The best defense is a good offense.
#2. Mobilize labor union support at a grass roots community level.
#3. Consolidate! Labor Unions have allowed their corporate opponents to "divide and conquer" and split them into ineffective small groups.
#4. Tell Democrats, politically, to GFO. How much more proof do they need that Dems take their money and their votes for granted. This is probably labor unions biggest mistake. They have lost their political independence.
#5. Slogans and Symbols. Labor Unions need to agitate and mobilize at a grass roots and community level. To do this they need symbols and slogans that clearly communicate their aims and goals.
#6. TAKE BACK THE STREETS! This ties into #1 and #4. No political party has labor union interest at heart. Only the labor unions can fullfill that mission. None of the issues affecting labor unions will be affected by any politicians (republican or democrat) unless unions use their single most important tool. The implied threat of mass demonstrations, rallies and mobilized communities.

Labor Unions can make a difference in the life of working people and it can negotiate a greater and more fair and proportional slice of the ecnomic pie for it's membership but it will fail to do so as long as they are proxy's for the Democratic party. Labor Unions need to make it clear to all politicians. Support our aims and goals and we will support you. If you do not support them or take them for granted we will mobilize against you, democrat and republican alike.
 
History lesson # 1......

Facts to remember.

During Ronald Reagan's presidency, the Democratic Party-controlled House, with support from Reagan, cut the marginal tax rate on the highest-income tax bracket from 70% to 28%.

A major feature of these policies was the reduction of tax rates on capital gains, corporate income, and higher individual incomes, along with the reduction or elimination of various excise taxes.
 
A growing chorus of journalists, politicians, and pundits are using his hundredth-birthday milestone to rewrite history and bestow on Reagan a Mount Rushmore–like status as one of our greatest presidents.


That’s hogwash.


During his two terms in the White House (1981–89), Reagan presided over a widening gap between the rich and everyone else, declining wages and living standards for working families, an assault on labor unions as a vehicle to lift Americans into the middle class, a dramatic increase in poverty and homelessness, and the consolidation and deregulation of the financial industry that led to the current mortgage meltdown, foreclosure epidemic and lingering recession.


These trends were not caused by inevitable social and economic forces.


They resulted from Reagan’s policy and political choices based on an underlying “you’re on your own” ideology.


During his stump speeches, while dutifully promising to roll back welfare, Reagan often told the story of a so-called “welfare queen” in Chicago who drove a Cadillac and had ripped off $150,000 from the government using eighty aliases, thirty addresses, a dozen Social Security cards and four fictional dead husbands.


Journalists searched for this “welfare cheat” in the hopes of interviewing her and discovered that she didn’t exist.





http://www.thenation.com/article/158321/reagans-real-legacy
 
wow love salon, the do great limosine liberal yucking it up.

I guess that's why Obama is getting in his final supply side tax cuts. LOFL


Dude, you're babbling nonsense.... get the crack out of your pipe, read the article and start dealing with reality.
 
Taichi
Go take econ 101

Get the tinfoil hat off your head (after you remove it from Karl Rove's ass) and start dealing with reality....Reaganomics has not and does not work. If you can PROVE the linked article wrong with facts and logic and NOT your assinine opinion, then please do. Otherwise, continue to blow smoke as usual.
 
Originally Posted by christiefan915
Like we didn't see it coming.

"What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession."

The biggest breaker of labor unions has been globalization. If you can find a way to end globalization you can probably bring private sector unions back as a force. In addition the 'new economy' i.e. - technology, is not the type of field where labor unions are going to get involved. Without eliminating many of the new technological gains of the past two decades and the economic rise of countries such as China and India I'm not sure how labor unions will ever become a force again in the U.S. private sector.

Thing is, the majority of the private sector that is screaming bloody murder about unions DIDN'T HAVE THEM TO BEGIN WITH. Reagan(omics) started the union busting edict, and Clinton sure as hell didn't help any with NAFTA. America is goint to have to re-establish it's protectionist policies in order to regain it's domestic work force power....removal of the forementioned policies will be a start in the right direction.
 
Originally Posted by christiefan915
Like we didn't see it coming.

"What makes this "recovery" so different? Perhaps the simplest answer is that labor has been broken as a force that can put pressure on management, so there's little incentive for employers to turn profits into wage hikes or new jobs. Instead, employers are squeezing more out of the workers that they've got, and investing in equipment upgrades and new technology instead of human assets -- labor productivity has risen sharply since the end of the recession."

I'm not overly sympathetic to labor. If they want their fair share of the pie, whining about it won't get them any where. Labor needs to get off it's ass and do something about but as loong as their happy swilling Budweiser and watching NASCAR and voting for right wing politicians who don't have their economic interest at heart......well it's hard to feel sorry for them.

Pretty bigoted notion you just displayed regarding the members of labor unions, Mott. Essentially, a LOT you take for granted in the current work place is due to the efforts of the people you so readily belittle. You forget the union busting tactics of Reaganomics and the idiocy of Clinton's NAFTA is what screwed labor unions down to the size they are. Short of the mass "take it to the streets" actions of yester-year, unions are essentially at the mercy of the "law" and the "law enforcement".
 
for the ignorant on economics
there this tiny thing called the business cycle
recessions happen ever 7 or so years

The economy is about to bigger than is was when it was inflated with bullshit real estate loans.
how the fuck is it wrecked again?


What "business cycle" are you referring to....the one where "trickle down" economics is at any minute going to create a plethora of jobs? 30 years, Dude....it ain't happening....grow the fuck up and deal with the FAILURE of Reaganomics. And you can thank the crooked banksters and Wall St. cretins for the bullshit real estate loans...as they mixed in known bad loans with good loan packages and then sold these toxic packages on the national and international market. You can also thank deregulation for that.

Dude, know wtf you're babbling about before your fingers hit the keys.
 
If labor unions want to regain the grounds they have lost in the last 30 years the first damn thing they have to do is admit to them selves that they are broken and need fixed. The opponent of labor unions are weatlhy, with deep pockets and are very well organized. Labor Unions have to face facts that all is not well, that they have ruthless opponents who want to reduce or eliminate them all together. That this threat is very real and not exaggerated at all. The solutions for labor unions are not rocket science. It just takes organization and leadership that can get the job done, which they seem to lack the will to do, quite suprizing considering their opponents are very motivated. Here's some common sense things labor unions can do which would improve their position;

#1. QUITE BEING PUSSY's! The best defense is a good offense.
#2. Mobilize labor union support at a grass roots community level.
#3. Consolidate! Labor Unions have allowed their corporate opponents to "divide and conquer" and split them into ineffective small groups.
#4. Tell Democrats, politically, to GFO. How much more proof do they need that Dems take their money and their votes for granted. This is probably labor unions biggest mistake. They have lost their political independence.
#5. Slogans and Symbols. Labor Unions need to agitate and mobilize at a grass roots and community level. To do this they need symbols and slogans that clearly communicate their aims and goals.
#6. TAKE BACK THE STREETS! This ties into #1 and #4. No political party has labor union interest at heart. Only the labor unions can fullfill that mission. None of the issues affecting labor unions will be affected by any politicians (republican or democrat) unless unions use their single most important tool. The implied threat of mass demonstrations, rallies and mobilized communities.

Labor Unions can make a difference in the life of working people and it can negotiate a greater and more fair and proportional slice of the ecnomic pie for it's membership but it will fail to do so as long as they are proxy's for the Democratic party. Labor Unions need to make it clear to all politicians. Support our aims and goals and we will support you. If you do not support them or take them for granted we will mobilize against you, democrat and republican alike.

HEAR, HEAR!
 
History lesson # 1......

Facts to remember.

During Ronald Reagan's presidency, the Democratic Party-controlled House, with support from Reagan, cut the marginal tax rate on the highest-income tax bracket from 70% to 28%.

A major feature of these policies was the reduction of tax rates on capital gains, corporate income, and higher individual incomes, along with the reduction or elimination of various excise taxes.


And who had the power in the Senate, my intellectually impotent Bravo?

Yeah, and with all those nice tax cuts, what "trickled down" to you and me, genius? And what exactly was the tax cuts for those making $50K or less?

Read the article, you Bravo bumpkin....DEAL with the WHOLE TRUTH!
 
Perhaps all those Republican/tea party/libertarian/oathers/birthers/threepers/neocon/bluedog voters who are out there with no job or unemployment benefits are FINALLY waking up. If not, here's something for them to chew on:


The final nail in the supply side coffin
Broken recovery: Taxes are low and corporate profits are high, but nothing is trickling down to the American worker



http://www.salon.com/technology/how...7/06/the_final_nail_in_the_supply_side_coffin

Taxes aren't low, and what does "corporate profits are high" have to do with the little business man that produces 80% of the jobs in this country (and is getting screwed) have to do with supporting your point?

Small business is our success, and prosperity in this country.

And right now they're about to really cut back.

Opportunity creates wealth.

The lack of opportunity creates something less.

And less, and less is what we have.

Government and corporations combined can't come close to producing the jobs that are needed to overcome the assault on small business in the form of rules and regulations that we have today.

I see the other side of the coin here Taichiliberal.

Socialists should understand that people are waking up to this fact.
 
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