Join me, please.

Mottleydude said:
I wouldn't go that far either. American manufacturers do quite well and our employees in manufacturing earn such high wages because they are some of the most productive and skilled workers in the world. Where as many of these low tech comodities we buy require lots of unskilled labor that can be provided form more cost affectively over seas. The profit margins just aren't there in the US market.

My sister is a union laborer at Ford. But it's grossly unfair to compare her to an unskilled laborer in China. She has an associates degree in mechanical engineering and is a skilled CNC machinist. She not only had her two years of college but also had to work in a 2 year apprentice program and a 2 year journeyman program before the union and Ford approved her as skilled and thus earn a skilled tradesperson wage of over $30/hr. I'd say she's earned that. If Ford went under she probably wouldn't be making as much as she is now....but I seriously doubt she'd be making minimum wage either.

I mean essentially the problem that you're pointing out is that we have an abundance of highly skilled labor in the country and not a lot of unskilled labor willing to do low paid menial labor jobs. That's a nice problem to have.
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Which is why I compared her to the skilled worker who builds Toyota right here in this nation.
 
Damocles said:
The idea of "buy American" in this thread is fundamentally flawed, Americans built the cars that are "foreign" as well, usually for less money and at a higher quality level.
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Ahh were on the same page then. That was the point I was making when I was going on about his bike.
 
Hey... I have a question for the pinhead who started this thread....

What if I buy a Hyundai Sonata? They just won an award for quality, and they are made right here in my own back door, practically. Not to mention... 100k mile warranty... decent ride... cheap insurance... Just not one of The Big Three.

Just wondering if that qualified as "Buying American" since it does employ local workers.
 
Dixie said:
Hey... I have a question for the pinhead who started this thread....

What if I buy a Hyundai Sonata? They just won an award for quality, and they are made right here in my own back door, practically. Not to mention... 100k mile warranty... decent ride... cheap insurance... Just not one of The Big Three.

Just wondering if that qualified as "Buying American" since it does employ local workers.
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Good point Dixie and you're the third one to make it. Damo and I beat you to the punch though. :)
 
Dixie said:
Hey... I have a question for the pinhead who started this thread....
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You must have confused this thread with another, as I started it. Age catching up with you? Buy one, my argument is not with those who support Korea rather than America. Oh that's so unfair. But what sort of incentives were given to Hyundai you think? You're smart enough to know that I hope. And the South will never rise to our wages. LOL

My wife suggests I create a sticker even for those Hyundais. But if we don't support our industries, our engineering, our workers in all forms, we will further close the gap to third world status, we are heading there given the current economy. So you buy whatever you want, this suggestion is for those who support the American worker by making that other choice.
 
I buy USA produced food.

Unfortunately on many imported food items the country of origion is not stated due to the Republicans opposing that provision of the food labeling law.

Corporate fear of informed consumers I guess.


As for vehicles, I have no need to buy a new one.
 
Whomever said:
Unfortunately on many imported food items the country of origion is not stated due to the Republicans opposing that provision of the food labeling law.
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It poses a sort of dilemma on those who want to support their fellow workers with their purchase. There are so many industries and businesses in foreign ownership or in their nation, I'm not sure what to make of it. Pay for most in the past twenty to thirty years has been flat with only the wealthy moving up, you have to wonder if the lack of work is not a factor too.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10092007.html
 
midcan5 said:
It poses a sort of dilemma on those who want to support their fellow workers with their purchase. There are so many industries and businesses in foreign ownership or in their nation, I'm not sure what to make of it. Pay for most in the past twenty to thirty years has been flat with only the wealthy moving up, you have to wonder if the lack of work is not a factor too.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10092007.html
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Yes lack of gains in wages is a long term problem. Esp since our sconomy is 2/3 dependent on consumer spending.

without jobs there will be no recovery.
 
Midcan is such a dumbfuck. We would be stuck with 18th century mercantilist policies if people like him were in charge.
 
I take solace in the fact that while most Americans do not agree with my economic views, they certainly disagree even more with Midcan's.

And that is a comforting thought.

P.S. Wages haven't been stagnant over the last thirty years you dumb fuck.
 
Wages have pretty stagnant once you figure in inflation.

Personal income now is another issue. Large gains in the uppe rincomes skew the heck out of the average on personal income.
 
Epicurus said:
I take solace in the fact that while most Americans do not agree with my economic views, they certainly disagree even more with Midcan's.

And that is a comforting thought.

P.S. Wages haven't been stagnant over the last thirty years you dumb fuck.
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You do realize you add nothing intelligent to the conversation? Name calling is brainless as you are brainless. You take solace in an assumption, real bright you are.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/4Inequality.htm

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/webfeatures_snapshots_20060111/

"It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
Abraham Lincoln in a letter to William F. Elkins, November 21, 1864.
 
Whomever said:
Wages have pretty stagnant once you figure in inflation.

Personal income now is another issue. Large gains in the uppe rincomes skew the heck out of the average on personal income.
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Agreed, and getting good statistics is difficult when the figures do not support the current economic thinking.
 
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