I've got mine liberals

cawacko

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Excellent article on Bay Area housing and a group of progressives that support 'build baby build' instead of the current progressive structure of not building and then complaining about high housing prices.

This was the best paragraph:

(TRIGGER WARNING for Desh and Zappa)


Those who have followed the Bay Area’s ongoing war over growth and gentrification might be forgiven for doing a double take at the notion that a pro-development movement sees itself as fighting to prevent displacement and gentrification. But that’s precisely what makes the YIMBYs so fascinating: They don’t conform to easy political or ideological stereotypes. Although they are often attacked by San Francisco progressives as witting or unwitting shills for developers or the tech industry, most YIMBYs say they’re progressives, too—they just have different ideas about how to solve the Bay Area’s housing crisis. In fact, many of them don’t regard their no-growth or slow-growth adversaries as being progressive except in name. Generally younger than their opponents, mainly renters, many of them employed in the tech industry, they were driven to activism after they found themselves unable even to rent in San Francisco or Berkeley or Oakland, let alone buy. And they regard many of their ostensibly enlightened opponents as a bunch of shortsighted and selfish older white homeowners whose pious declarations of solidarity with the oppressed mask an economically self-interested I’ve-got-mine-Jack attitude that is anything but progressive. Clark, one of the movement’s leaders, told the website Oaklandnorth, “I love suing sanctimonious limousine liberals. That’s my favorite part of what we do.”


http://modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/the-yimbys-next-door
 
YIMBYs say they’re progressives, too—they just have different ideas about how to solve the Bay Area’s housing crisis.
many of them don’t regard their no-growth or slow-growth adversaries as being progressive except in name.
Generally younger than their opponents, mainly renters, many of them employed in the tech industry,
YIMBY= Yes In My Back Yard ?
 
YIMBY= Yes In My Back Yard ?

Yes. Took me a second on that as well. How many times have we heard that Republicans (and Libertarians) only care about money and themselves. Pretty ironic seeing a progressive group calling out other progressives for doing exactly that.
 
Excellent article on Bay Area housing and a group of progressives that support 'build baby build' instead of the current progressive structure of not building and then complaining about high housing prices.

This was the best paragraph:

(TRIGGER WARNING for Desh and Zappa)


Those who have followed the Bay Area’s ongoing war over growth and gentrification might be forgiven for doing a double take at the notion that a pro-development movement sees itself as fighting to prevent displacement and gentrification. But that’s precisely what makes the YIMBYs so fascinating: They don’t conform to easy political or ideological stereotypes. Although they are often attacked by San Francisco progressives as witting or unwitting shills for developers or the tech industry, most YIMBYs say they’re progressives, too—they just have different ideas about how to solve the Bay Area’s housing crisis. In fact, many of them don’t regard their no-growth or slow-growth adversaries as being progressive except in name. Generally younger than their opponents, mainly renters, many of them employed in the tech industry, they were driven to activism after they found themselves unable even to rent in San Francisco or Berkeley or Oakland, let alone buy. And they regard many of their ostensibly enlightened opponents as a bunch of shortsighted and selfish older white homeowners whose pious declarations of solidarity with the oppressed mask an economically self-interested I’ve-got-mine-Jack attitude that is anything but progressive. Clark, one of the movement’s leaders, told the website Oaklandnorth, “I love suing sanctimonious limousine liberals. That’s my favorite part of what we do.”


http://modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/the-yimbys-next-door

they should build



you see the good thing about liberals is they will listen to facts and change their minds once they are more imformed.



try it


I bet you wont
 
they should build



you see the good thing about liberals is they will listen to facts and change their minds once they are more imformed.



try it


I bet you wont

El Oh El, they haven't built for decades. Dear lord Desh.
 
they looked into their hearts and found that the light had not fully been absorbed by the darkness



they nutted up



you gonna follow
 
What?

This is why blacks are being forced out of SF and Oakland because rich white liberals don't want to build more housing. They got theirs already.
 
but now they are going to build huh



How much should be Low income

what percent of low income housing does it provide the people?


got any details
 
but now they are going to build huh



How much should be Low income

what percent of low income housing does it provide the people?


got any details
No, they aren't building now. SF and Oaklamd aren't building near enough and some cities like Palo Alto basically aren't building at all.

The Bay Area voted for Hillary at a higher percentage than any other area in the country yet they fight to keep others out, especially P.O.C.
 
No thoughts here Zap? You're a big fan of calling out righties who you think have the I've got mine attitude. Don't feel the same about rich I've got mine liberals?
 
No thoughts here Zap? You're a big fan of calling out righties who you think have the I've got mine attitude. Don't feel the same about rich I've got mine liberals?

What do you want to hear?

There will always be a few progressive Republicans just as there always be a few greedy, self-absorbed Democrats.
 
What do you want to hear?

There will always be a few progressive Republicans just as there always be a few greedy, self-absorbed Democrats.

You post multiple articles of individual Christians or Republicans doing something bad then call me out for not publically denouncing each of them. Well this isn't just a few individuals here. This is hundreds and hundreds of thousands of liberals and Democrats displaying the "I've got mine" attitude and fvck building housing for anyone else. It's all about greed as they want to keep the value of their properties high and don't want lower income people coming into their neighborhoods.

So your just a few analogy is way off.
 
Excellent article on Bay Area housing and a group of progressives that support 'build baby build' instead of the current progressive structure of not building and then complaining about high housing prices.

This was the best paragraph:

(TRIGGER WARNING for Desh and Zappa)


Those who have followed the Bay Area’s ongoing war over growth and gentrification might be forgiven for doing a double take at the notion that a pro-development movement sees itself as fighting to prevent displacement and gentrification. But that’s precisely what makes the YIMBYs so fascinating: They don’t conform to easy political or ideological stereotypes. Although they are often attacked by San Francisco progressives as witting or unwitting shills for developers or the tech industry, most YIMBYs say they’re progressives, too—they just have different ideas about how to solve the Bay Area’s housing crisis. In fact, many of them don’t regard their no-growth or slow-growth adversaries as being progressive except in name. Generally younger than their opponents, mainly renters, many of them employed in the tech industry, they were driven to activism after they found themselves unable even to rent in San Francisco or Berkeley or Oakland, let alone buy. And they regard many of their ostensibly enlightened opponents as a bunch of shortsighted and selfish older white homeowners whose pious declarations of solidarity with the oppressed mask an economically self-interested I’ve-got-mine-Jack attitude that is anything but progressive. Clark, one of the movement’s leaders, told the website Oaklandnorth, “I love suing sanctimonious limousine liberals. That’s my favorite part of what we do.”


http://modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/the-yimbys-next-door

SF is a lot like the town I grew up in and moved out as soon as I could. It's on the coast so immediately has 1/2 the available land area of an inland city. I hate crowds, traffic, high taxes and freedom-chocking regulations, so I choose to live elsewhere. Apparently I'm in the minority.

Peter Morrison (Marrakech Magic Theater) announced recently that he's moving his popular show from downtown San Francisco to the Atlanta area. Probably to escape high rents. He was renting a cramped basement under a restaurant.

Still, many will stay and rents will remain high. Part of the allure is the old buildings and such, so they are far better off keeping them. Folks like me will just visit once in a while.
 
You post multiple articles of individual Christians or Republicans doing something bad then call me out for not publically denouncing each of them. Well this isn't just a few individuals here. This is hundreds and hundreds of thousands of liberals and Democrats displaying the "I've got mine" attitude and fvck building housing for anyone else. It's all about greed as they want to keep the value of their properties high and don't want lower income people coming into their neighborhoods.

So your just a few analogy is way off.

Wait, you are expecting consistently from Zippy?
 
SF is a lot like the town I grew up in and moved out as soon as I could. It's on the coast so immediately has 1/2 the available land area of an inland city. I hate crowds, traffic, high taxes and freedom-chocking regulations, so I choose to live elsewhere. Apparently I'm in the minority.

Peter Morrison (Marrakech Magic Theater) announced recently that he's moving his popular show from downtown San Francisco to the Atlanta area. Probably to escape high rents. He was renting a cramped basement under a restaurant.

Still, many will stay and rents will remain high. Part of the allure is the old buildings and such, so they are far better off keeping them. Folks like me will just visit once in a while.

When a one bedroom costs you close to $3K it forces a lot of people to leave as well as not come here. San Francisco is always going to have an appeal to people for reasons such as the ones you mentioned but in the long run I think we are cutting off our nose to spite our face. Other areas around the country are developing strong tech scenes that offer affordable housing and better business environments. So if we rest on our laurels and think we will always be dominate we are going to be in for a rude awakening. And a big way we rest on our laurels is by not building new housing and thus making it harder for young creative entrepreneurs to live here.
 
When a one bedroom costs you close to $3K it forces a lot of people to leave as well as not come here. San Francisco is always going to have an appeal to people for reasons such as the ones you mentioned but in the long run I think we are cutting off our nose to spite our face. Other areas around the country are developing strong tech scenes that offer affordable housing and better business environments. So if we rest on our laurels and think we will always be dominate we are going to be in for a rude awakening. And a big way we rest on our laurels is by not building new housing and thus making it harder for young creative entrepreneurs to live here.

If you reduce or eliminate the appeal of its history San Francisco becomes less like San Francisco. So what if some of the business moves out? You can always get that back but once the history is gone you can't. Towns that are popular and keep their history will see gradual transition to a tourism economy.

The other thing is, look ahead one generation. You will have more people working from home so don't have to live near downtown high rises. Unused office space will then be available for condos and apartments. The same thing is happening in my little town here just two generations removed. Our old manufacturing base moved elsewhere, leaving its infrastructure, the best of which is being transformed into office, retail, and residential uses.
 
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