It has been 13 years, what have we accomplished with Iraq?

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It has been 13 years what have we accomplished with the Iraq war?

I fully fully supported the war for about a year, then Bushco could bring it to end as promised. Then I started seeing Iran's influence grow, among other troubling things.

I don't believe ISIS would exist with Saddam around, but does that mean Saddam should still be around.
 
I agree saddam would have butchered all of them...

I didn't agree w/ the invasion & it is still a mess & will continue to be so indefinitely..
 
So really, what was accomplished? Althea thinks, I believe, that Arabs need a dictator. What did we accomplish? Other than to show if there is strong religious divide, even in the same religion, that they cannot govern themselves without a strongman?
 
Yaya said:
So really, what was accomplished? Althea thinks, I believe, that Arabs need a dictator. What did we accomplish? Other than to show if there is strong religious divide, even in the same religion, that they cannot govern themselves without a strongman?
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My friend who came from Iraq also believes that Iraq needs a strongman, democracy just doesn't work there.

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The lies that backed the Iraq war-crime were a sign of the general evacuation of truth from politics that led to trumpism and growing doubts as to whether any democracy can survive.
 
Yaya said:
So really, what was accomplished? Althea thinks, I believe, that Arabs need a dictator. What did we accomplish? Other than to show if there is strong religious divide, even in the same religion, that they cannot govern themselves without a strongman?
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The only way Iraq would have worked in the long run would be for the Coalition to play the role of strong man. But that takes considerable political will.

I don't know if Saddam would have survived the Arab Spring. I'd give it about a 50/50 change Iraq would resemble Syria today had we not took Saddam out.

But it's conjecture.
 
Yaya said:
So really, what was accomplished? Althea thinks, I believe, that Arabs need a dictator. What did we accomplish? Other than to show if there is strong religious divide, even in the same religion, that they cannot govern themselves without a strongman?
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Things are working out in Tunisia, the only democracy in MENA.
 
Yaya said:
It has been 13 years what have we accomplished with the Iraq war?

I fully fully supported the war for about a year, then Bushco could bring it to end as promised. Then I started seeing Iran's influence grow, among other troubling things.

I don't believe ISIS would exist with Saddam around, but does that mean Saddam should still be around.
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Clearly, invading Iraq was the most catastrophic and foolish foreign policy decision in our lifetimes. And many people here should be credited with having the foresight to know it was a terrible decision beforehand: UScitizen, Mott, QueenSnowflake, Evince, BAC, et al. I have always found it noteworthy that not more than a handful of rightwingers have ever had the courage to admit it was a mistake, a terrible blunder. Evidently, admitting one was wrong on the interwebs to anonymous liberals they don't know and will never meet is a bridge too far for the rightwing. To terrifying and humiliating to even contemplate.

I have always been of the opinion that not only was evidence of the WMD dubious, but that invading countries is about the most terrible way to force legitimate democracy on them. That change generally had to come from within. The Iraqis have to decide, and they have to be the agents of change.

And this is one thing Jimmy Carter was right about: the Unites State should not be solely focused on geopolitical competition and on military superiority. The United States should be an advocate for human rights and democracy, but through our soft power, through our substantial diplomatic and economic leverage.
 
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iolo said:
The lies that backed the Iraq war-crime were a sign of the general evacuation of truth from politics that led to trumpism and growing doubts as to whether any democracy can survive.
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ours is hacking up the shit lump


they took the shit cork out of the bottle of bees
 
Cypress said:
Clearly, invading Iraq was the most catastrophic and foolish foreign policy decision in our lifetimes. And many people here should be credited with having the foresight to know it was a terrible decision beforehand: UScitizen, Mott, QueenSnowflake, Evince, BAC, et al. I have always found it noteworthy that not more than a handful of rightwingers have ever had the courage to admit it was a mistake, a terrible blunder. Evidently, admitting one was wrong on the interwebs to anonymous liberals they don't know and will never meet is a bridge too far for the rightwing. To terrifying and humiliating to even contemplate.

I have always been of the opinion that not only was evidence of the WMD dubious, but that invading countries is about the most terrible way to force legitimate democracy on them. That change generally had to come from within. The Iraqis have to decide, and they have to be the agents of change.

And this is one thing Jimmy Carter was right about: the Unites State should not be solely focused on geopolitical competition and on military superiority. The United States should be an advocate for human rights and democracy, but through our soft power, through our substantial diplomatic and economic leverage.
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thanks


so few times on these sites does anyone stop to think about who got it right in the past.


the right here has no reason for ANYONE to value their opinions


they always believe the lies and NEVER admit they got it wrong or praise those who got it correct


Its proof of their true intentions

the destruction of American democracy
 
Yaya said:
It has been 13 years what have we accomplished with the Iraq war?

I fully fully supported the war for about a year, then Bushco could bring it to end as promised. Then I started seeing Iran's influence grow, among other troubling things.

I don't believe ISIS would exist with Saddam around, but does that mean Saddam should still be around.
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Nothing, the mission lacked a legitimate purpose because Saddamned did not have WMD. So we've traded a bad genocidal tyrant that checked the power of religious fanatical crazies in a part of the globe distal from the USA for those crazies. Net gain zero.

Bush the lesser's ignorance and susceptibleness to the machiavellian intrigues of cheney et al cause the whole fiasco. The rest is a failed attempt to mitigate.

Succinctly: "you break it you own it" -colin powell

Bush broke it and we've been paying by installments in blood and treasure ever since.
 
The left couldn't have possibly been more right about Iraq.

And they were called traitors, terrorist-sympathizers & ridiculed relentlessly for their position.

Personally, I get really tired of being so right all of the time. I'll be right about Trump, too; I already am.
 
Thing1 said:
You do a lot of pathetic things on this board - but trying to create equivalency between Iraq & Libya may be the worst.
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tell us why they are different. you are becoming not much more then a troll
I can show you many similarites.

1.regime change on false pretenses
2. ushered in terrorism
3.worked against our own interests.

Iraq was the mother of all FUBARS - but Libya was it's orphan child
 
anatta said:
tell us why they are different. you are becoming not much more then a troll
I can show you many similarites.

1.regime change on false pretenses
2. ushered in terrorism
3.worked against our own interests.

Iraq was the mother of all FUBARS - but Libya was it's orphan child
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One could argue Libya was worse because of the effect it had on Europe.
 
Darth Omar said:
One could argue Libya was worse because of the effect it had on Europe.
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Tunisia built a wall on it's Libyan border ( a berm)..
I don't know if you recall the Bardo museum shooting..

Tunisia gunman trained in Libya at same time as Bardo museum attackers
Tunisian authorities have said the gunman who killed 38 tourists in Sousse on Friday was trained at the same Libyan jihadist camp as the two suicide gunmen who attacked the Bardo museum in Tunis in March.

The Libyan link was disclosed by a senior security official, Rafik Chelli, who told Associated Press that Seifeddine Rezgui, who carried out Friday’s beach hotel attack, trained at an Islamic State base near the western town of Sabratha (Libya) in January.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eifeddine-rezgui-libya-bardo-museum-attackers

Libya is still a failed terrorist infested state -thanks to our destruction of it in 2011.
But now it not only sent weapons to Syria (MANPADS) afterwards; it's a crucial link between AQIM in west Africa and ISIS in Iraq/Syria
It's also a source of terrorism for the Egyptian Sinai
 
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