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SmarterthanYou

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http://www.infowars.com/indefinite-detention-bill-heads-to-obamas-desk/


http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...pulls-veto-threat-on-defense-bill-107514.html


“The House on Wednesday afternoon approved the rule for the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), setting up an hour of debate and a vote in the House later this afternoon,” reports the Hill.

Mainstream news outlets like The Hill, as well as neo-con blogs like Red State, are still pretending the indefinite detention provision doesn’t apply to American citizens, even though three of the bill’s primary sponsors, Senator Carl Levin, Senator John McCain, and Senator Lindsey Graham, said it does during speeches on the Senate floor.

“It is not unfair to make an American citizen account for the fact that they decided to help Al Qaeda to kill us all and hold them as long as it takes to find intelligence about what may be coming next,” remarked Graham. “And when they say, ‘I want my lawyer,’ you tell them, ‘Shut up. You don’t get a lawyer.’”

As Levin said last week, it was the White House itself that demanded Section 1031 apply to American citizens.
 
I really can't decide what's worse. Obamas utter hypocrisy, the flagrant disregard for the Constitution exhibited by the majority of politicians, how for years everyone who argued that this could happen was called paranoid, or that those who were 'paranoid' were actually right.

I've changed my stance on the death penalty. Those who are convicted of treason of their office (I.E. elected officials) should have the death penalty be mandatory and public.
 
Emperor Septimius Severus said:
I really can't decide what's worse. Obamas utter hypocrisy, the flagrant disregard for the Constitution exhibited by the majority of politicians, how for years everyone who argued that this could happen was called paranoid, or that those who were 'paranoid' were actually right.

I've changed my stance on the death penalty. Those who are convicted of treason of their office (I.E. elected officials) should have the death penalty be mandatory and public.
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part of the issue though, is the mass apathy exhibited by the american people. they aren't willing to divest their political parties power to keep the government honest because of their fear of the other side. the two major parties have set up the system very well to allow them to face us off against each other with fear while insulating themselves from the judicial system.
 
Return of Dune said:
The sheep are choosing the nice secure pens.
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DUNE, SHEEP FUCKER
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Its hard for me to fathom the apathy of citizens concerning this bill. And those who support it should be tried for treason.

This is unbelieveable.
 
The bill authorizes the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including Americans, and mandates military custody for suspected al-Qaida members accused of planning attacks on the United States or its allies.

The president alone is able to grant a waiver.

Before suspects are taken into custody, no independent court would evaluate the legitimacy of the suspicion, despite America's track record of detaining hundreds of suspects who turned out not to be terrorists.

Essentially, the bill expands a Guantanamo-like prison system.

Detainees could be held indefinitely without charge.

Those who are tried would go before a military commission, even as the civilian court system has proven superior for trying terrorists.

So far, there have been only six convictions on terror-related charges by military commissions, and half of those convicted have been released. Meanwhile, the U.S. civilian courts have successfully convicted more than 400 people on terrorism charges, with defendants often drawing long sentences. National security experts warn that our allies may refuse to extradite suspects to the United States if they are subject to indefinite military custody.

The bill also could interfere with counterterrorism investigations and interrogations by domestic national security agencies.

While the bill gives the FBI and other national security agencies leeway to continue terror suspect surveillance or interrogation activities, the military would have jurisdiction as well, leading to confusion and turf battles.

Finally, the legislation would continue to ban transfers from Guantanamo to keep Obama from closing the facility.

It is unfathomable why so many in Congress are determined to keep open an international symbol of prisoner abuse and America's abandonment of due process — and a recruiting tool for al-Qaida.

The bill is a civil liberties tragedy and national security threat.




http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/edi...ties-tragedy-national-security-threat/1206097
 
I wonder if any of the GOP presidential hopefuls are opposed...
 
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The bill authorizes the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including Americans, and mandates military custody for suspected al-Qaida members accused of planning attacks on the United States or its allies.

The president alone is able to grant a waiver.
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So, essentially, Obama is proposing that the president have the ability to summarily sentence anyone to life in prison, with the only chance of release being a presidential commutation. Sounds reasonable to me.
 
Emperor Septimius Severus said:
I really can't decide what's worse. Obamas utter hypocrisy, the flagrant disregard for the Constitution exhibited by the majority of politicians, how for years everyone who argued that this could happen was called paranoid, or that those who were 'paranoid' were actually right.

I've changed my stance on the death penalty. Those who are convicted of treason of their office (I.E. elected officials) should have the death penalty be mandatory and public.
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If someone acts in a way consistent with a rational constitutional viewpoint that is later struck down by the supreme court, they should merely be told to stop. If it is clear that they are intentionally acting in a way contrary to the constitution, yes, they should be punished. Problem is, it's pretty easy to construct a rational argument for something. However, if you don't give people leeway on this, it can lead to a reign of terror. There are countless regimes that were submerged in tyranny by giving someone the power to punish or execute others for having a rational viewpoint that is inconsistent with their rational viewpoint.
 
Emperor Nero said:
So, essentially, Obama is proposing that the president have the ability to summarily sentence anyone to life in prison, with the only chance of release being a presidential commutation. Sounds reasonable to me.
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Where'd you get the idea that "Obama is proposing" anything?
 
WinterBorn said:
I know Ron Paul is ranting about it. But then, he is more of a constitutionalist than the rest.
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Watch it, Damocles may insist on seeing these "rants" and will repeatedly ignore any links to them that you provide...
 
SmarterThanYou said:
http://www.infowars.com/indefinite-detention-bill-heads-to-obamas-desk/


http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...pulls-veto-threat-on-defense-bill-107514.html


“The House on Wednesday afternoon approved the rule for the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), setting up an hour of debate and a vote in the House later this afternoon,” reports the Hill.

Mainstream news outlets like The Hill, as well as neo-con blogs like Red State, are still pretending the indefinite detention provision doesn’t apply to American citizens, even though three of the bill’s primary sponsors, Senator Carl Levin, Senator John McCain, and Senator Lindsey Graham, said it does during speeches on the Senate floor.

“It is not unfair to make an American citizen account for the fact that they decided to help Al Qaeda to kill us all and hold them as long as it takes to find intelligence about what may be coming next,” remarked Graham. “And when they say, ‘I want my lawyer,’ you tell them, ‘Shut up. You don’t get a lawyer.’”

As Levin said last week, it was the White House itself that demanded Section 1031 apply to American citizens.
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Nice non-disguise. Still as dumb though.
 
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