Is the Internet making us more than just stupid

midcan5

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It is a truism that the best slavery is not knowing you are a slave. When I watch entertainment television I often think of this truism - who watches this stuff I wonder. What does it do to the mind when all of life is absurd comedic situations, crime scene investigations, or macho law enforcement dramas? Add ads for cures of all and every thing life throws at us and soon everything is a drug by whatever name you choose. So this past week while doing America's finest civic duty, jury duty, I travel into a world I have missed for several years. It is a world changed. It is a world in which everyone has a Internet device and everyone is texting all the time. There are a few readers but they are the minority. Could it be that corporate media has finally made slavery comfortable, desire a text away, and community happiness a far off imaginary thing. Has the natural world disappeared and the world of digital existence replaced it. Is it any wonder religious community remains the last place we can touch and feel life. Interesting piece below.

"I'm astonished at how readily a great many people I know, young people, have accepted a reduced economic prospect and limited freedoms in any substantial sense, and basically traded them for being able to screw around online. There are just a lot of people who feel that being able to get their video or their tweet seen by somebody once in a while gets them enough ego gratification that it's okay with them to still be living with their parents in their 30s."

"The most complex and important part of the interview concerns what Lanier calls the "local-global flip." This term refers to what happens when a company -- Wal-Mart, Google and Apple are his three main examples -- conquer certain sectors of the economy quickly and completely, and their dominance over that sector is so complete that it creates a stranglehold over that part of the market, effectively destroys the so-called "Mom-and-Pop" vendors that used to coexist with it, and turns those companies into gateways that control how other people get their goods, services or ideas into the marketplace." http://www.salon.com/entertainment/feature/2011/08/31/lanier_internet_modern_life/

http://edge.org/conversation/the-local-global-flip
http://edge.org/memberbio/jaron_lanier

"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley wrote in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984 Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us...This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right." Neil Postman 'Amusing Ourselves to Death'
 
It is a truism that the best slavery is not knowing you are a slave. When I watch entertainment television I often think of this truism - who watches this stuff I wonder. What does it do to the mind when all of life is absurd comedic situations, crime scene investigations, or macho law enforcement dramas? Add ads for cures of all and every thing life throws at us and soon everything is a drug by whatever name you choose. So this past week while doing America's finest civic duty, jury duty, I travel into a world I have missed for several years. It is a world changed. It is a world in which everyone has a Internet device and everyone is texting all the time. There are a few readers but they are the minority. Could it be that corporate media has finally made slavery comfortable, desire a text away, and community happiness a far off imaginary thing. Has the natural world disappeared and the world of digital existence replaced it. Is it any wonder religious community remains the last place we can touch and feel life. Interesting piece below.

"I'm astonished at how readily a great many people I know, young people, have accepted a reduced economic prospect and limited freedoms in any substantial sense, and basically traded them for being able to screw around online. There are just a lot of people who feel that being able to get their video or their tweet seen by somebody once in a while gets them enough ego gratification that it's okay with them to still be living with their parents in their 30s."

"The most complex and important part of the interview concerns what Lanier calls the "local-global flip." This term refers to what happens when a company -- Wal-Mart, Google and Apple are his three main examples -- conquer certain sectors of the economy quickly and completely, and their dominance over that sector is so complete that it creates a stranglehold over that part of the market, effectively destroys the so-called "Mom-and-Pop" vendors that used to coexist with it, and turns those companies into gateways that control how other people get their goods, services or ideas into the marketplace." http://www.salon.com/entertainment/feature/2011/08/31/lanier_internet_modern_life/

http://edge.org/conversation/the-local-global-flip
http://edge.org/memberbio/jaron_lanier

"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley wrote in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984 Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us...This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right." Neil Postman 'Amusing Ourselves to Death'

Like everything else if we can access it from home then we stay home. Whether it's pay-per-view contributing to less attendance at movie theaters to home delivery of food resulting in fewer in-restaurant customers the need to interact with people on a physical level has decreased.

If we look at today's young people staying in Mom's basement past generations were required to leave home in order to connect with similar beings. A restaurant, a pub, a sports field....one of the main reasons people frequented those places was to connect with similar types. Today, that is no longer necessary. Also, one can connect with similar people without having to deal with extraneous circumstances.

For example, two people can discuss politics and if they hold similar ideas they become friends without things such as dress or table manners being a factor. Say, for example, two people hold similar views, however, when meeting at a restaurant one discovers the other has objectionable eating habits, perhaps talking with their mouth full. A friendship will not materialize.

As for young people having "accepted a reduced economic prospect and limited freedoms" I think we have to take a closer look. Sufficient money was required to establish a home, a relationship, a family. It came down to finding and establishing a "friendship", companionship; finding someone who held similar views and starting a family.

The internet has supplied the "friendship", the ability to share experiences, someone who asks, "How was your day?" As for starting a family the main reason for families was "strength in numbers". Children contributed to the survival of the family and ensured someone would be there in our old age. Social programs have evolved to take care of that need. Also, before social programs everyone had to prepare for the worst. Many countries now realize it's beneficial to have safety nets for those unfortunate enough to be stricken with disasters without every citizen left to prepare for themselves which, in my opinion, increases freedom.

Talking about freedom as society evolves and people are able to live their lives without leaving home (from social interaction to employment to banking and shopping, etc.) it's natural those who do leave their home will be more closely scrutinized. Rape, robbery, arson, riots, etc, etc, etc, are committed by people not in their home. Also, people used to travel to see different places and meet the people. Today, one can chat with people around the world. Access to information and videos are readily available.

Finally, as to "Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us" I believe society has not caught up with technology. It's time to re-evaluate the work ethic. Struggling and suffering were considered noble and there was a good reason when every hand was required to ensure survival. From growing food to building homes a handful of people can accomplish what required the effort of 100 people.

There is no longer a need for everyone to struggle and suffer. Even those who believe in the work ethic find there are no jobs offering the chance to "struggle and suffer". It's time for a paradigm shift, to use a well worn expression. Simply acquiring material goods, filling bank accounts, is no longer the priority.

Just as society honored the wealthy, "the home town guy/gal does good", it's time for society to honor the volunteer, the person who contributes to society without monetary compensation while ensuring such people do not do without. There is plenty for everyone. It is time to shift from trying to acquire it all to ensuring everyone has a basic share, if not a fair share.

Maybe young people have realized there's more to life than money and feel like strangers in a strange world. Maybe they have difficulty making sense of a world of plenty while seeing the homeless and hungry. Maybe it's nature's way of letting us know there's something amiss. Maybe it's the 21st century's version of Timothy Leary's, "Turn on, tune in, drop out."
 
Multinational mega-corporations including Google are making most of us poor, with the enthusiastic assistance of the GOP.
 
Like everything else if we can access it from home then we stay home. Whether it's pay-per-view contributing to less attendance at movie theaters to home delivery of food resulting in fewer in-restaurant customers the need to interact with people on a physical level has decreased.
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Maybe young people have realized there's more to life than money and feel like strangers in a strange world. Maybe they have difficulty making sense of a world of plenty while seeing the homeless and hungry. Maybe it's nature's way of letting us know there's something amiss. Maybe it's the 21st century's version of Timothy Leary's, "Turn on, tune in, drop out."

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

'Bowling alone' has become modern life for many people, but I remember night shift before technology and it too made you feel detached from people. Or consider suburban sprawl, another mess that affects the way we live in all sort of ways. Eisenhower's grand idea and jobs program turned against us as unseen consequences popped up.

But your last sentence confirms in a way Lanier's points but contains one large paradox, it takes money (and lots of other people) to enjoy the fruits of technology but the fruits can lead to alienation and isolation from reality. A great black comedy could be written on a person who stays at home listening to right wing radio, watching fox, while playing video games. Released one day from the cellar, our person enters the real world.

Or consider too the uses of the technology to bring people together in flash mobs or the communication during the middle east turmoil? Another irony, something that separates us pulls us together. Harpers magazine - still one of the best out there - had a great article by the French philosopher Alain de Botton on religious community and it strengths in bringing people together. But Harpers is through subscription only. Do humans have a need to communicate and the technology allows some to do it in ways they otherwise could not?
 
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