is poet a closet reagan fan?

reading part of a new book this week and came across something that sounded strangely familiar....namely poet's stance on guns and gun control.

Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America

The book explores the centuries-long debate over gun control and the right to bear arms in the U.S.

Ronald Reagan, as California Governor, supoported a variety of gun control laws.

consider this account of Booby Seale and Huey Newton:

The Panthers, however, took it to an extreme, carrying their guns in public, displaying them for everyone—especially the police—to see. Newton had discovered, during classes at San Francisco Law School, that California law allowed people to carry guns in public so long as they were visible, and not pointed at anyone in a threatening way.

In February of 1967, Oakland police officers stopped a car carrying Newton, Seale, and several other Panthers with rifles and handguns. When one officer asked to see one of the guns, Newton refused. “I don’t have to give you anything but my identification, name, and address,” he insisted. This, too, he had learned in law school.

“Who in the hell do you think you are?” an officer responded.

“Who in the hell do you think you are?,” Newton replied indignantly. He told the officer that he and his friends had a legal right to have their firearms.

Newton got out of the car, still holding his rifle.

“What are you going to do with that gun?” asked one of the stunned policemen.

“What are you going to do with your gun?,” Newton replied.

By this time, the scene had drawn a crowd of onlookers. An officer told the bystanders to move on, but Newton shouted at them to stay. California law, he yelled, gave civilians a right to observe a police officer making an arrest, so long as they didn’t interfere. Newton played it up for the crowd. In a loud voice, he told the police officers, “If you try to shoot at me or if you try to take this gun, I’m going to shoot back at you, swine.” Although normally a black man with Newton’s attitude would quickly find himself handcuffed in the back of a police car, enough people had gathered on the street to discourage the officers from doing anything rash. Because they hadn’t committed any crime, the Panthers were allowed to go on their way.

The people who’d witnessed the scene were dumbstruck. Not even Bobby Seale could believe it. Right then, he said, he knew that Newton was the “baddest M-F'er in the world.” Newton’s message was clear: “The gun is where it’s at and about and in.” After the February incident, the Panthers began a regular practice of policing the police. Thanks to an army of new recruits inspired to join up when they heard about Newton’s bravado, groups of armed Panthers would drive around following police cars. When the police stopped a black person, the Panthers would stand off to the side and shout out legal advice.

How did politicians respond?

Don Mulford, a conservative Republican state assemblyman from Alameda County, which includes Oakland, was determined to end the Panthers’ police patrols. To disarm the Panthers, he proposed a law that would prohibit the carrying of a loaded weapon in any California city.

And the Panthers?

When Newton found out about this, he told Seale, “You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to the Capitol.” Seale was incredulous. “The Capitol?” Newton explained: “Mulford’s there, and they’re trying to pass a law against our guns, and we’re going to the Capitol steps.” Newton’s plan was to take a select group of Panthers “loaded down to the gills,” to send a message to California lawmakers about the group’s opposition to any new gun control.

The Panthers’ methods provoked an immediate backlash. The day of their statehouse protest, lawmakers said the incident would speed enactment of Mulford’s gun-control proposal. Mulford himself pledged to make his bill even tougher, and he added a provision barring anyone but law enforcement from bringing a loaded firearm into the state capitol.

Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”

The fear inspired by black people with guns also led the United States Congress to consider new gun restrictions, after the summer of 1967 brought what the historian Harvard Sitkoff called the “most intense and destructive wave of racial violence the nation had ever witnessed.” Devastating riots engulfed Detroit and Newark. Police and National Guardsmen who tried to help restore order were greeted with sniper fire.

A 1968 federal report blamed the unrest at least partly on the easy availability of guns.

so poet, are you a reagan lover? a closet republican conservative?
 
reading part of a new book this week and came across something that sounded strangely familiar....namely poet's stance on guns and gun control.

Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America

The book explores the centuries-long debate over gun control and the right to bear arms in the U.S.

Ronald Reagan, as California Governor, supoported a variety of gun control laws.

consider this account of Booby Seale and Huey Newton:



How did politicians respond?



And the Panthers?



so poet, are you a reagan lover? a closet republican conservative?


Hell to the no. In case anyone was wondering, back in the 40's and early 50's when B-movie actor, Ronald Reagan was married to his first wife, Jane Wyman (of Falcon Crest fame), together they had a codicil in their real estate holding documents that prevented their properties from being ever rented, leased or sold to African-Americans, Hispanics, or Jews.
I have the link somewhere in my archives. So, upon finding out that tidbit, I hated him. Looking back, his popularity cannot be denied, and he was well-spoken. Given the Republican presidents that have followed him, he's God. As for loving him....the best I can do is indifference. As for being a closet republican conservative, I'd slit my wrists first.
 
so while maybe having one thing in common with Ronald Reagan, that in no way makes you a republican conservative, right? or would having gun control as a common ideology between you two, would that make reagan a closet black liberal? or would that also make it just a single common point between you two?
 
so while maybe having one thing in common with Ronald Reagan, that in no way makes you a republican conservative, right? or would having gun control as a common ideology between you two, would that make reagan a closet black liberal? or would that also make it just a single common point between you two?

Have you been drinking?
 
Hell to the no. In case anyone was wondering, back in the 40's and early 50's when B-movie actor, Ronald Reagan was married to his first wife, Jane Wyman (of Falcon Crest fame), together they had a codicil in their real estate holding documents that prevented their properties from being ever rented, leased or sold to African-Americans, Hispanics, or Jews.
I have the link somewhere in my archives. So, upon finding out that tidbit, I hated him. Looking back, his popularity cannot be denied, and he was well-spoken. Given the Republican presidents that have followed him, he's God. As for loving him....the best I can do is indifference. As for being a closet republican conservative, I'd slit my wrists first.

Boy, Am I glad to hear that...
 
so while maybe having one thing in common with Ronald Reagan, that in no way makes you a republican conservative, right? or would having gun control as a common ideology between you two, would that make reagan a closet black liberal? or would that also make it just a single common point between you two?

I'm gonna disagree with Dune, and ask "Are you doing drugs?" You made no sense. You wanna try again?
 
I'm gonna disagree with Dune, and ask "Are you doing drugs?" You made no sense. You wanna try again?

ok, are you a closet republican since you and reagan share the same gun control positions? or is reagan a closet liberal for holding the same gun control positions as you?
 
Hell to the no. In case anyone was wondering, back in the 40's and early 50's when B-movie actor, Ronald Reagan was married to his first wife, Jane Wyman (of Falcon Crest fame), together they had a codicil in their real estate holding documents that prevented their properties from being ever rented, leased or sold to African-Americans, Hispanics, or Jews.
I have the link somewhere in my archives. So, upon finding out that tidbit, I hated him. Looking back, his popularity cannot be denied, and he was well-spoken. Given the Republican presidents that have followed him, he's God. As for loving him....the best I can do is indifference. As for being a closet republican conservative, I'd slit my wrists first.

Pretty please. :)
 
Hell to the no. In case anyone was wondering, back in the 40's and early 50's when B-movie actor, Ronald Reagan was married to his first wife, Jane Wyman (of Falcon Crest fame), together they had a codicil in their real estate holding documents that prevented their properties from being ever rented, leased or sold to African-Americans, Hispanics, or Jews.
I have the link somewhere in my archives. So, upon finding out that tidbit, I hated him. Looking back, his popularity cannot be denied, and he was well-spoken. Given the Republican presidents that have followed him, he's God. As for loving him....the best I can do is indifference. As for being a closet republican conservative, I'd slit my wrists first.

Wow, I didn't know that about the property. I always despised reagan and thought of him as the worst kind of ideologue cloaked in superficial, avuncular charm. People do comment on his being well-spoken but I attributed that to his actor's training in following a script. I still don't understand the devotion of his followers and their blind spot about his character.

My college speech teacher was working on a Ph.D and his thesis was on the rhetoric of reagan. He couldn't stand him, either.
 
I remember when I went to a church back in the early 80s. The evangelist said Reagan was the antiChrist because each of his three names had six letters......666...... Ronald Wilson Reagan. I guess it was a good act until Bush was sworn in.
 
ok, are you a closet republican since you and reagan share the same gun control positions? or is reagan a closet liberal for holding the same gun control positions as you?

No. I think all guns should be banned. This isn't the wild wild west...and folks have no commonsense or gun safety. Is that what Reagan believed? But you're really reaching , asking if I could be a closet republican. LOL Lord hab mercy. I told you, crack is not good.
 
No. I think all guns should be banned. This isn't the wild wild west...and folks have no commonsense or gun safety. Is that what Reagan believed? But you're really reaching , asking if I could be a closet republican. LOL Lord hab mercy. I told you, crack is not good.

so are you saying that although a person might have one or two positions the same as a group, it doesn't define them as totally of that group, right?
 
so are you saying that although a person might have one or two positions the same as a group, it doesn't define them as totally of that group, right?

Right. I'm sure there are some Republicans who are pro-choice, as I am...but that wouldn't define me as a Republican. Geez.
 
so it could be safe to say that there are some militia members or TEA party people who are not racist.

Ah, that's where you were going. I should have seen it coming. I will concede. I don't believe in blanket indictments. I believe there are some tea partiers who might not be racist.
I believe that there are some Republicans that are not racist. But don't get me wrong. When either the Tea Party or the Republican Party could have spoken out against racism and bigotry, they didn't. In fact, they have been and are silent, as exhibited in the GOP debates.
 
Ah, that's where you were going. I should have seen it coming. I will concede. I don't believe in blanket indictments. I believe there are some tea partiers who might not be racist.
I believe that there are some Republicans that are not racist. But don't get me wrong. When either the Tea Party or the Republican Party could have spoken out against racism and bigotry, they didn't. In fact, they have been and are silent, as exhibited in the GOP debates.

because it wouldn't make for good liberal media. those of us 'little' people in the party...we don't get media interviews when we try to speak out
 
because it wouldn't make for good liberal media. those of us 'little' people in the party...we don't get media interviews when we try to speak out

So, you're content with the party being portrayed as racist and bigoted? Or when examples of racism are displayed, why don't you go "smooth off"? Where is your voice?
 
So, you're content with the party being portrayed as racist and bigoted? Or when examples of racism are displayed, why don't you go "smooth off"? Where is your voice?

it's why I don't participate in national TEA events. I deal with our local party only and there's no racism there. anything more than that takes more time and energy than I have available, considering the personal things i have to deal with.
 
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