Is it Dangerous Don's right to be rude, crude, and hateful?

Jarod

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Is it Dangerous Don's right to be rude, crude and hateful?

Absolutely!


Under the first Amendment he, and anyone else has that right. I would fight against the government preventing him from that more than most.

Do I have a right to refuse to vote for him because of it?
YES....

Has anyone said its not his right?


It is PC of me to say I wont vote for someone who is crude in public?
Is it PC of me to refuse to vote for someone because I think he is hateful?
Is it PC of me to refuse to vote for someone because they treat people rudely?

If so, I am PC, and I think being PC is very American!
 
I am asking about PC and what people mean when they complain about it.

I am growing more and more suspicious they simply dislike being called out for racist and xenophobic ideas and attitudes.
 
I believe your attempt to label Trump "Dangerous Don" is a non-starter, Counselor.

Crooked Hillary resonates more.

Just sayin'. :)
 
I am asking about PC and what people mean when they complain about it.

I am growing more and more suspicious they simply dislike being called out for racist and xenophobic ideas and attitudes.

On the nosey Jarod!

People who complain about Political Correctness are angry people who can't stand having to speak and act politely to those they deem "inferior".

Basic human civility has always been a hallmark of American society, but lately, angry white men who see their influence in the world shrinking, don't like that society expects them to treat others courteously.
 
I am asking about PC and what people mean when they complain about it.

I am growing more and more suspicious they simply dislike being called out for racist and xenophobic ideas and attitudes.

Jarod, for a hotshot lawyer you are just not terribly bright. Political Correctness to my mind has become a form of Newspeak, if you don't know what that is then I suggest you get a copy of 1984! You see it every day on here, in the form of feminazis, racism watchdogs and climate alarmists who will not tolerate any dissenting opinion.

How do you change the way people think? You start by changing the words they use.

In totalitarian regimes—a.k.a. police states—where conformity and compliance are enforced at the end of a loaded gun, the government dictates what words can and cannot be used. In countries where the police state hides behind a benevolent mask and disguises itself as tolerance, the citizens censor themselves, policing their words and thoughts to conform to the dictates of the mass mind.

Even when the motives behind this rigidly calibrated reorientation of societal language appear well-intentioned—discouraging racism, condemning violence, denouncing discrimination and hatred—inevitably, the end result is the same: intolerance, indoctrination and infantilism.

It’s political correctness disguised as tolerance, civility and love, but what it really amounts to is the chilling of free speech and the demonizing of viewpoints that run counter to the cultural elite.

As a society, we’ve become fearfully polite, careful to avoid offense, and largely unwilling to be labeled intolerant, hateful, closed-minded or any of the other toxic labels that carry a badge of shame today. The result is a nation where no one says what they really think anymore, at least if it runs counter to the prevailing views. Intolerance is the new scarlet letter of our day, a badge to be worn in shame and humiliation, deserving of society’s fear, loathing and utter banishment from society.

For those “haters” who dare to voice a different opinion, retribution is swift: they will be shamed, shouted down, silenced, censored, fired, cast out and generally relegated to the dust heap of ignorant, mean-spirited bullies who are guilty of various “word crimes.”

We have entered a new age where, as commentator Mark Steyn notes, “we have to tiptoe around on ever thinner eggshells” and “the forces of ‘tolerance’ are intolerant of anything less than full-blown celebratory approval.”

In such a climate of intolerance, there can be no freedom speech, expression or thought.

Yet what the forces of political correctness fail to realize is that they owe a debt to the so-called “haters” who have kept the First Amendment robust. From swastika-wearing Neo-Nazis marching through Skokie, Illinois, and underaged cross burners to “God hates fags” protesters assembled near military funerals, those who have inadvertently done the most to preserve the right to freedom of speech for all have espoused views that were downright unpopular, if not hateful.

Until recently, the U.S. Supreme Court has reiterated that the First Amendment prevents the government from proscribing speech, or even expressive conduct, because it disapproves of the ideas expressed. However, that long-vaunted, Court-enforced tolerance for “intolerant” speech has now given way to a paradigm in which the government can discriminate freely against First Amendment activity that takes place within a government forum. Justifying such discrimination as “government speech,” the Court ruled that the Texas Dept. of Motor Vehicles could refuse to issue specialty license plate designs featuring a Confederate battle flag. Why? Because it was deemed offensive.

The Court’s ruling came on the heels of a shooting in which a 21-year-old white gunman killed nine African-Americans during a Wednesday night Bible study at a church in Charleston, N.C. The two events, coupled with the fact that gunman Dylann Roof was reportedly pictured on several social media sites with a Confederate flag, have resulted in an emotionally charged stampede to sanitize the nation’s public places of anything that smacks of racism, starting with the Confederate flag and ballooning into a list that includes the removal of various Civil War monuments.

These tactics are nothing new. This nation, birthed from puritanical roots, has always struggled to balance its love of liberty with its moralistic need to censor books, music, art, language, symbols etc.

Indeed, thanks to the rise of political correctness, the population of book burners, censors, and judges has greatly expanded over the years so that they run the gamut from left-leaning to right-leaning and everything in between. By eliminating words, phrases and symbols from public discourse, the powers-that-be are sowing hate, distrust and paranoia. In this way, by bottling up dissent, they are creating a pressure cooker of stifled misery that will eventually blow.

The question, of course, is what’s next on the list to be banned?

It was for the sake of preserving individuality and independence that James Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, fought for a First Amendment that protected the “minority”—even a minority of one—against the majority. This freedom for those in the unpopular minority constitutes the ultimate tolerance in a free society. Conversely, government-sanctioned intolerance always ends up the same: with an indoctrinated, infantilized citizenry that marches in lockstep with the governmental regime.

George Orwell understood the power of language to manipulate the masses. In 1984, Big Brother relies on Newspeak to eliminate undesirable words, strip such words as remained of unorthodox meanings and criminalize independent, non-government-approved thought.

Where we stand now is at the juncture of OldSpeak (where words have meanings, and ideas can be dangerous) and Newspeak (where only that which is “safe” and “accepted” by the majority is permitted). As I document in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the power elite has made their intentions clear: they will pursue and prosecute any and all words, thoughts and expressions that challenge their authority.

This is the final link in the police state chain.

Having been reduced to a cowering citizenry—mute in the face of elected officials who refuse to represent us, helpless in the face of police brutality, powerless in the face of militarized tactics and technology that treat us like enemy combatants on a battlefield, and naked in the face of government surveillance that sees and hears all—we have nowhere left to go. Our backs are to the walls. From this point on, we have only two options: go down fighting, or capitulate and betray our loved ones, our friends and our selves by insisting that, as a brainwashed Winston Smith does at the end of Orwell’s 1984, yes, 2+2 does equal 5.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/the-emergence-of-orwellia_b_7688758.html
 
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Political correctness on college campuses today includes shutting down speaker or ideas that one finds disagreeable. I guess it's only angry white males that believe listening to multiple viewpoints is a good thing. Hopefully these 'AWM's' will learn that we shouldn't be exposed to idea's from those who don't think like ourselves.
 
vote anyway you want to..PC is more about shutting down language then using polite language.

Trump is crude and rude -if that is important to oneself -then vote against it. Another voter is probly voting for it by
"telling it like it is"

PC tends to shut down legitimate debate..it rules certain phrases/words are "off limits" -forget that noise.
 
Is it Dangerous Don's right to be rude, crude and hateful?

Absolutely!


Under the first Amendment he, and anyone else has that right. I would fight against the government preventing him from that more than most.

Do I have a right to refuse to vote for him because of it?
YES....

Has anyone said its not his right?


It is PC of me to say I wont vote for someone who is crude in public?
Is it PC of me to refuse to vote for someone because I think he is hateful?
Is it PC of me to refuse to vote for someone because they treat people rudely?

If so, I am PC, and I think being PC is very American!

I think silly is closer to the mark than pc.

Has anyone since Jefferson not gone off ?
This is about far more significant things.
 
vote anyway you want to..PC is more about shutting down language then using polite language.

Trump is crude and rude -if that is important to oneself -then vote against it. Another voter is probly voting for it by
"telling it like it is"

PC tends to shut down legitimate debate..it rules certain phrases/words are "off limits" -forget that noise.

PC is about shutting down language...

The language of racists, homophobes and xenophobes.

Anyone who needs to use hateful, racist language might want to think about expanding their vocabulary.
 
PC is about shutting down language...

The language of racists, homophobes and xenophobes.

Anyone who needs to use hateful, racist language might want to think about expanding their vocabulary.

It may have started out like that but it is a double edged sword, I refer you to the excellent HuffPo article in post 6.
 


In a Phoenix suburb in March, protesters parked about two-dozen cars in the middle of the highway to stop drivers on their way to an outdoor rally for Donald Trump and Joe Arpaio, the controversial Arizona sheriff.

With posters that read "Dump Trump" and "Must Stop Trump," the protesters, in one sense, acted on their right to demonstrate against the Republican frontrunner and the sheriff who was sanctioned for refusing a judge's order to stop racial profiling.

But Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) saw it differently.

Ducey signed a measure into law Monday that increases penalties on protesters. "That hopefully will create a deterrent," said Daniel Scarpinato, a gubernatorial spokesman.

The measure Ducey signed is made up of two laws. The other law directly affects a lawsuit against Paradise Valley Community College in Phoenix. by Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian organization.

Geoffrey Stone, a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, cautioned that the First Amendment is "not absolute."



http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2016/0517/Inspired-by-Trump-new-Arizona-law-redefines-free-speech
 
PC is about shutting down language...

The language of racists, homophobes and xenophobes.

Anyone who needs to use hateful, racist language might want to think about expanding their vocabulary.

PC is about FAR more than that but you know that already
 
At a University recently it has been determined saying America is the land of opportunity is not P.C. and thus should not be said.

Who knew saying America is the land of opportunity is "the language of racists, homophobes and xenophobes".
 
It may have started out like that but it is a double edged sword, I refer you to the excellent HuffPo article in post 6.

All I read was an article trying to excuse the language of racists, homophobes and xenophobes.

It's hateful, it's demeaning and anyone who needs to use racist, homophobic or xenophobic language to make their point should have their views ridiculed.
 
At a University recently it has been determined saying America is the land of opportunity is not P.C. and thus should not be said.

Who knew saying America is the land of opportunity is "the language of racists, homophobes and xenophobes".

Cite...
 


California professors instructed not to say ‘America is the land of opportunity’


That’s one of several phrases deemed a ‘microaggression’ at faculty leader training sessions initiated by University of California President Janet Napolitano

“America is the land of opportunity,” “There is only one race, the human race” and “I believe the most qualified person should get the job” are among a long list of alleged microaggressions faculty leaders of the University of California system have been instructed not to say.

These so-called microaggressions – considered examples of subconscious racism – were presented at faculty leader training sessions held throughout the 2014-15 school year at nine of the 10 UC campuses. The sessions, an initiative of UC President Janet Napolitano, aim to teach how to avoid offending students and peers, as well as how to hire a more diverse faculty.

At the gatherings, deans and department chairs across the UC system have been instructed to be careful using (read: instructed not to use) phrases such as “America is the land of opportunity” or even use forms that provide only “male” and “female” check boxes, among a long litany of supposed microaggressions listed in a document underlying the “Faculty Leadership Seminars.”

The document has drawn little scrutiny until now, when a professor in the UC system pointed it out to The College Fix. The professor chose not to attend the seminars, but myriad materials on the UC Office of the President (UCOP) website give indication as to what sort of lessons were taught there.

Other sayings deemed unacceptable include:

● “Everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough.”

● “Where are you from or where were you born?”

● “Affirmative action is racist.”

● “When I look at you, I don’t see color.”

These phrases in particular are targeted because they promote the “myth of meritocracy” or represent “statements which assert that race or gender does not play a role in life successes.” Others are said to be color blind, apparently a bad thing that indicates “that a white person does not want to or need to acknowledge race,” according to the handout, “Tool: Recognizing Microaggressions and the Messages They Send.”

In another handout, “Tool for Identifying Implicit Bias,” faculty are advised when dealing with a student or researcher that they are particularly impressed with not to express approval with compliments like “It’s clear he’s a rockstar.” The handout also describes “raising the bar” as “elitist.”

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President Napolitano’s “invitation” to deans and department chairs in January describes the half-day seminars as helping them meet their “responsibility” to create “academic climates that enable all faculty to do their best work.” The seminars are intended to help faculty identify and “interrupt” microaggressions and develop “an inclusive department/school climate,” according to the seminars’ webpage.

The seminars also taught faculty how to deal with prospective hires and existing minority faculty. According to a synopsis of the theatric production “Ready to Vote?” presented at the gatherings, a group of professors consider whether to nominate an Asian American female colleague for tenure. It’s intended to illustrate several perceived microaggressions, such as holding minority professors to higher standards than white male counterparts and not supporting their research.

Another highlight among materials for the seminars is a curious choice: a Supreme Court dissent in a decision upholding Michigan voters’ right to ban race preferences in college admissions. Its inclusion suggests to faculty that publicly approving of race-neutral admissions policies is a microaggression.

The College Fix reached out to the UC Office of the President for comment. In response to a question about how these seminars might have a chilling effect on faculty members’ ability to engage in free speech, representative Shelly Meron said in an email Tuesday that “These seminars are not an attempt to curb open dialogue, debate or classroom discussions.”

“The seminars are part of the President’s Postdoctoral Fellowship Program,” Meron stated. “Deans and department heads who attended the seminars could choose whether they wanted to convey the information to their faculty.”

With regard to the seemingly commonplace, innocuous quotes that are labeled microaggressions in the seminar leaflets, Meron writes:

“The quotes you referenced are taken directly from research done on this topic. We present this research literature/climate survey responses as examples so that faculty leaders can be more aware of the impact their actions or words may have on their students, and to provide faculty members with potential strategies to create an inclusive learning environment for all students.”

Many UC administrators are used to talking about promoting diversity thanks to diversity initiatives and calls to “improve campus climate” that have been legion across UC campuses in recent years. UCLA’s campus in particular has been a hotbed of activity for diversity campus crusaders.

In 2013, Carlos Moreno, a retired California Supreme Court judge, authored an exhaustive report on “Acts of Bias and Discrimination Involving Faculty” at UCLA. Just this past year, after failed attempts in 2004 and 2012, UCLA passed a highly controversial diversity class requirement that was the subject of multiple faculty votes.


http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/22839/
 
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