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Independent Thinker
With all due respect,
While Clinton and Nixon were proven to have lied, and admitted to having done so, there is no proof that Bush lied about Iraq. I'm not a Bush supporter. Nevertheless, if Bush lied then so did a multitude of Democrats (including Hillary Clinton), as well as several foreign governments. So, if the Iraq war is based on lies, it would have to be the result of a vast conspiracy, which I personally view as being highly unlikely.
Besides, Bush isn't President anymore (no complaints here!). Let's move forward.
While Clinton and Nixon were proven to have lied, and admitted to having done so, there is no proof that Bush lied about Iraq. I'm not a Bush supporter. Nevertheless, if Bush lied then so did a multitude of Democrats (including Hillary Clinton), as well as several foreign governments. So, if the Iraq war is based on lies, it would have to be the result of a vast conspiracy, which I personally view as being highly unlikely.
Besides, Bush isn't President anymore (no complaints here!). Let's move forward.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
With all due respect,
While Clinton and Nixon were proven to have lied, and admitted to having done so, there is no proof that Bush lied about Iraq. I'm not a Bush supporter. Nevertheless, if Bush lied then so did a multitude of Democrats (including Hillary Clinton), as well as several foreign governments. So, if the Iraq war is based on lies, it would have to be the result of a vast conspiracy, which I personally view as being highly unlikely.
Besides, Bush isn't President anymore (no complaints here!). Let's move forward.
You know, the only real alternative to Bush no having lied to this nation in the run up to the war in Iraq is that they were completely incompetent. In 2004 I didn't think even Bush could be that incompetent. Katrina opened my eyes that, well yea, those dumbfucks are that incompetent.
Having said that, the information that the Bush administration purposefully mislead this nation into war is over whelming. What more proof do you need? At out right confession by Bush?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Look who's talking! One of the biggest extremist to post on this site. Run away little fanatic. Rational and intelligent people are talking here.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
I think they just should have impeached him and Cheney no matter what.
Crashk
Unite or Die
"Six months before the United States was dead-set on invading Iraq to rid the country of its alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMD), experts in the field of nuclear science warned officials in the George W Bush administration that intelligence reports showing Iraq was stockpiling chemical and biological weapons was unreliable, and that the country did not pose an imminent threat to its neighbors in the Middle East or the US.
But the dissenters were told to keep quiet by high-level administration officials in the White House because the Bush administration had already decided that military force would be used to overthrow the regime of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, interviews and documents reveal."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF13Ak04.html
They lied about the reasons for going into Iraq. They knew Saddam didn't have WMDs. They took the country to war and caused thousands of deaths because they saw personal profits and a chance to grab oil. These are impeachable and criminal actions possibly even treason.
But the dissenters were told to keep quiet by high-level administration officials in the White House because the Bush administration had already decided that military force would be used to overthrow the regime of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, interviews and documents reveal."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF13Ak04.html
They lied about the reasons for going into Iraq. They knew Saddam didn't have WMDs. They took the country to war and caused thousands of deaths because they saw personal profits and a chance to grab oil. These are impeachable and criminal actions possibly even treason.
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Thats amazing....you posted this even before Jurt joined the thread....how the hell did you know he would be talking here...??? I'm impressed
Take your crap to the "Conspiracies and/or Conspiracy Theories" Forum where it belongs...
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Why? You can't impeach a President for being inept. That's what elections are for.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
yeah, cause mayor nagin and the governor of LA were perfect...
Ahhh a comment that is entirely representative of the Bush governing philosophy. "The Buck Passes Here!"
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Thats amazing....you posted this even before Jurt joined the thread....how the hell did you know he would be talking here...??? I'm impressed
Take your crap to the "Conspiracies and/or Conspiracy Theories" Forum where it belongs...
Nice try wacko...now run along.
The following only proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that sadly Mdude is a confirmed liar....or galacticly stupid....or has od'ed on Koolade
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
evince
Truthmatters
http://www.bushwatch.com/iraqevidence.htm
Look this one over and you will see what type of evidence there is.
Look this one over and you will see what type of evidence there is.
Really ?
Then how do you explain all these warnings about Saddam and his WMD in 1998....???
Were all these people lying ?
Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Madeline Albright, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, etc....
I don't need any C and P from left wing blogs, YOU explain what they were telling the American citizens in 1998, actually from about 1995 up into 2003......
evince
Truthmatters
go read this
evince
Truthmatters
Faked intelligence
Note: America's two most recent major wars - Vietnam and the Gulf - began with release of faked "intelligence" information: the non-existent Gulf of Tonkin attack in 1964, and doctored photos of a non-existent Iraqi invasion buildup on the Saudi border in 1990.
A more neutral observer might have concluded the U.S. was exaggerating scraps of uncorroborated information, while Iraq was trying to appear co-operative while still hiding some of its most sensitive military secrets.
Polls show most people around the globe remain skeptical of Powell's charges. Starting a war that could kill tens of thousands on the basis of vague audio intercepts, photos of empty buildings and defectors' tales makes no sense. Further inspections, not war, is the right answer. --Eric Margolis, 02.09.02
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BLAIR-POWELL "DECEPTION CAN ONLY CORRODE PUBLIC TRUST" "The Government has grudgingly admitted a failure to acknowledge sources - while insisting that the information remains valid. This misses the point. Plagiarism is not the main issue. The central issue is that of public trust. At best, this episode demonstrates incompetence and the failure to oversee the most important claims which the Government puts into the public domain. At worst, a deliberate attempt to hoodwink and mislead the public will undermine trust in anything the Government says about the Iraqi threat at this vital time." 02.09.03
guardian ed *related stories
INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENT POWELL PRAISED AS EVIDENCE CUT AND PASTED BY SECRETARY OF BLAIR'S SPIN DOCTOR AND GOFERS FROM PUBLIC SOURCES, MAJOR ONE 12 YEARS OLD "Late last Tuesday night, a three-page email started circulating among a select group of friends concerned about the impact of sanctions on Iraq... Full of academic outrage, it explained how the so-called 'secret spy dossier' published last week by the Government as a crucial plank in the argument for why the West should go to war was largely cribbed from an American postgraduate's doctoral thesis - grammatical mistakes and all - based on evidence 12 years out of date... And, to cap it all, the finished document appeared to have been cobbled together not by Middle East experts, but by the secretary of Alastair Campbell, the Government's chief spin doctor, and some gofers...One crumb of comfort is that with Blair's reputation for trustworthiness on the war already dented - a poll last week found that, while 81 per cent of Britons believe UN inspector Hans Blix, only 43 per cent trust Blair to tell the truth over the war and only 22 per cent trust Bush - the dossier debacle is unlikely to make it any worse." 02.09.03
guardian *related stories
Note: America's two most recent major wars - Vietnam and the Gulf - began with release of faked "intelligence" information: the non-existent Gulf of Tonkin attack in 1964, and doctored photos of a non-existent Iraqi invasion buildup on the Saudi border in 1990.
A more neutral observer might have concluded the U.S. was exaggerating scraps of uncorroborated information, while Iraq was trying to appear co-operative while still hiding some of its most sensitive military secrets.
Polls show most people around the globe remain skeptical of Powell's charges. Starting a war that could kill tens of thousands on the basis of vague audio intercepts, photos of empty buildings and defectors' tales makes no sense. Further inspections, not war, is the right answer. --Eric Margolis, 02.09.02
***
BLAIR-POWELL "DECEPTION CAN ONLY CORRODE PUBLIC TRUST" "The Government has grudgingly admitted a failure to acknowledge sources - while insisting that the information remains valid. This misses the point. Plagiarism is not the main issue. The central issue is that of public trust. At best, this episode demonstrates incompetence and the failure to oversee the most important claims which the Government puts into the public domain. At worst, a deliberate attempt to hoodwink and mislead the public will undermine trust in anything the Government says about the Iraqi threat at this vital time." 02.09.03
guardian ed *related stories
INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENT POWELL PRAISED AS EVIDENCE CUT AND PASTED BY SECRETARY OF BLAIR'S SPIN DOCTOR AND GOFERS FROM PUBLIC SOURCES, MAJOR ONE 12 YEARS OLD "Late last Tuesday night, a three-page email started circulating among a select group of friends concerned about the impact of sanctions on Iraq... Full of academic outrage, it explained how the so-called 'secret spy dossier' published last week by the Government as a crucial plank in the argument for why the West should go to war was largely cribbed from an American postgraduate's doctoral thesis - grammatical mistakes and all - based on evidence 12 years out of date... And, to cap it all, the finished document appeared to have been cobbled together not by Middle East experts, but by the secretary of Alastair Campbell, the Government's chief spin doctor, and some gofers...One crumb of comfort is that with Blair's reputation for trustworthiness on the war already dented - a poll last week found that, while 81 per cent of Britons believe UN inspector Hans Blix, only 43 per cent trust Blair to tell the truth over the war and only 22 per cent trust Bush - the dossier debacle is unlikely to make it any worse." 02.09.03
guardian *related stories
We're talking about lies shitwad....tell me all about these claims from the Clinton Administration...? How was this the truth and when Bush says the exact same thing its lies....you fuckin' hypocrite...