Indiana's new abortion law won't save babies. It will only make my patients suffer.

christiefan915

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Nobody should be able to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her own body and in cases like the ones below it's especially important to MYOB. If you haven't dealt with tragedies like these, then you have no room to talk.

"Even after years of education, training and experience as an obstetrician/gynecologist, I am never prepared to deliver the news that a pregnancy is abnormal. There is no good way to tell a pregnant woman - a woman who may already be wearing maternity clothes, thinking about names and decorating the nursery - that we have identified a fetal anomaly that can lead to significant, lifelong disability or even her baby's death. In such situations, physicians have two responsibilities. First, we must always be supportive of the mother or family who has suddenly been confronted with the loss of an imagined ideal pregnancy and child. And second, we help them understand that they have options, one of which is the termination of the pregnancy.

Unfortunately, that's no longer the case in Indiana, where a new law signed by Gov. Mike Pence, R, punishes doctors if they perform abortions for women because of their fetus' race or sex, or after a diagnosis of disability. Indiana's state government is intruding on the doctor-patient relationship at one of its most vulnerable, sensitive times. Which means that not only does the new law encroach on women's rights to control their own reproduction, it is also bad medicine.

As a mother as well as a doctor, I am acutely aware of the intensity and fear of the unknown inherent in pregnancy and childbirth. Indiana now expects women who live here to experience them without trusting their doctors' knowledge and with strict limits on how doctors may treat patients - limits driven not by science or research, but by politics. Supporters of the new law, such as Pence, say the measure "affirms the value of all human life." And yes, some women do choose to carry abnormal pregnancies to term. I am honored to care for them and their babies. I have held and comforted babies as they died, because their mothers were too grief-stricken to bear it. I have cried with families as we watched their babies breathe their last breath.

Not every woman can handle such horror. In the United States, abortion is an ethical, safe, appropriate and - with the exception of North Dakota and Indiana - legal medical option in the case of severe anomalies, one that spares women the emotional pain of stillbirth or the loss of an infant. That loss is dismissed and diminished by this law and by those who support it; the law doesn't save babies, it just forces a horrific fate onto both mother and child. It includes an exception only for termination of babies who would die within three months of being born, as if three months is enough time to justify forcing all women to take on the risks of carrying a pregnancy to term and delivering a baby, only to watch it die.

And that exception would still require women to carry to term pregnancies with some severe and disastrous genetic abnormalities, all of which I've seen in women who chose to have abortions rather than deliver babies who suffer from them.

Trisomy 13, or Patau syndrome, can leave babies with one eye, no nose, kidney defects and a spinal cord without skin covering it. Most are stillborn, but of those that are born alive, more than 80 percent die before they turn 1, only surviving that long after cardiac, spinal and other surgeries...

Spinal muscular atrophy, one type of which is Werdnig-Hoffman disease, is characterized by rapid neurologic degeneration, causing an infant to die within a year because of respiratory failure...

Preventing women with these fetal diagnoses from choosing abortion forces them to watch their children die a slow, painful, premature death. My colleagues and I are already asking one another whether we should even offer prenatal screening now that there's no legal choice to end a pregnancy because of the results.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...on-law-doctor-perspective-20160402-story.html
 
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I'm amused when cons profess their hatred for Muslim extremists, since they hold many of the same views, don't they?
 
Sorry to interrupt this discussion....

I don't post this to change the subject, but only to oppose your logic.....

Your position for workers that oppose unions is to just let that worker find another job that don't require them to support a union if they want to work....

so using your own logic, why can't the women just visit another state to have her abortion....

Does that make plain to you how stupid your position on 'right to work laws' is.....

I apologize again, so please return to your abortion debate....
 
I understand why people would consider having an abortion if they know that their baby is going to be sick or have something abnormal or have a short life but I believe that God challenges each of us and from those challenges learns about us and we learn about ourselves. Do you have an abortion because the pregnancy is not ideal or is not as easy or perfect as your friend's pregnancy was or do you love that child with all of your heart for as long as its on this Earth no matter how unperfected the situation may be? People also have perfectly healthy babies that die of SIDS every single day and so it's not about how easy the moment is it's about spending that precious time that you have on this Earth with the ones that you love. If the child dies before birth or even after birth then it's how God wanted it in my opinion, and while I'd have a ton of grief at that moment I can be happy knowing that he or she is in peace and with God. I've met people before at church that have a kid with diseases like downs syndrome and things like that and i'm sure that it's hard and it's obvious but they love those kids and want the best for those kids just as much as the parent whose kid is the captain of the football team. There is no doubt that they would have preferred the perfect situation and the perfect pregnancy and perfectly healthy kids but that doesn't mean you end their life because it's not what you expected in my opinion. Regardless I know it's a hard choice for people and that many people don't share my opinion but in the future when i'm married and want to have kids I am going to have that child even if he or she may have problems that I would need to take care and i'd also give my own life to see that they are born and given a chance at life.
 
If the child dies before birth or even after birth then it's how God wanted it in my opinion, and while I'd have a ton of grief at that moment I can be happy knowing that he or she is in peace and with God.

It's not a child if it hasn't been born.

There is no God, and when something dies, it's dead. It's not a peace, or with anyone.
 
It's not a child if it hasn't been born.

There is no God, and when something dies, it's dead. It's not a peace, or with anyone.

Well we clearly disagree. Faith isn't something that I can force onto you it's something that you have to have your heart open to. All I will say though is that i've never met a pregnant person before that didn't refer to it as their baby and weren't protective of it prior to it being born. If it wasn't a child that they already loved then they wouldn't care.
 
All I will say though is that i've never met a pregnant person before that didn't refer to it as their baby and weren't protective of it prior to it being born.

I've met people who referred to a car they wanted as theirs who didn't complete the purchase. Should the state grant them title based on their anticipatory misstatement?


Stay on topic, or this thread will be moved to the war zone, where you will find all threads that devolve to back and forth insults.
 
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