In bold move, Colorado makes some teachers cry

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DENVER – Colorado is changing the rules for how teachers earn and keep the sweeping job protections known as tenure, linking student performance to job security despite outcry from teacher unions that have steadfastly defended the system for decades.

Many education reform advocates consider tenure to be one of the biggest obstacles to improving America's schools because it makes removing mediocre or even incompetent teachers difficult.

Colorado's legislature changed tenure rules despite opposition from the state's largest teacher's union, a longtime ally of majority Democrats. Gov. Bill Ritter, also a Democrat, signed the bill into law last month.

It requires teachers to be evaluated annually, with at least half of their rating based on whether their students progressed during the school year. Beginning teachers will have to show they've boosted student achievement for three straight years to earn tenure.

Teachers could lose tenure if their students don't show progress for two consecutive years. Under the old system, teachers simply had to work for three years to gain tenure, the typical wait around the country.

After the bill survived a filibuster attempt and passed a key House vote, Democratic Rep. Nancy Todd, a 25-year teacher who opposed the measure, broke into tears.

"I don't question your motives," an emotional Todd said to the bill's proponents. "But I do want you to hear my heart because my heart is speaking for over 40,000 teachers in the state of Colorado who have been given the message that it is all up to them."

While other states have tried to modify tenure, Colorado's law was the boldest education reform in recent memory, according to Kate Walsh, the president of the Washington-based National Council on Teacher Quality, which promotes changing the way teachers are recruited and retained, including holding tenured teachers accountable with annual reviews.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100613/ap_on_re_us/us_grading_teachers

good for colorado, tenure is a joke and is often responsible for lousy teachers
 
What's the purpose of giving tenure to high school teachers at all? In the universities it mainly has to do with academic freedom. That's not the case in high schools, since teachers do no research and needn't be worried about that.
 
Every worker a company fires for union organizing activity should be required to pay that worker a lifetime pension, directly from the CEO's paycheck, and to hire union organizer's to continue the organization effort without company interference.
 
Yurt said:
DENVER – Colorado is changing the rules for how teachers earn and keep the sweeping job protections known as tenure, linking student performance to job security despite outcry from teacher unions that have steadfastly defended the system for decades.

Many education reform advocates consider tenure to be one of the biggest obstacles to improving America's schools because it makes removing mediocre or even incompetent teachers difficult.

Colorado's legislature changed tenure rules despite opposition from the state's largest teacher's union, a longtime ally of majority Democrats. Gov. Bill Ritter, also a Democrat, signed the bill into law last month.

It requires teachers to be evaluated annually, with at least half of their rating based on whether their students progressed during the school year. Beginning teachers will have to show they've boosted student achievement for three straight years to earn tenure.

Teachers could lose tenure if their students don't show progress for two consecutive years. Under the old system, teachers simply had to work for three years to gain tenure, the typical wait around the country.

After the bill survived a filibuster attempt and passed a key House vote, Democratic Rep. Nancy Todd, a 25-year teacher who opposed the measure, broke into tears.

"I don't question your motives," an emotional Todd said to the bill's proponents. "But I do want you to hear my heart because my heart is speaking for over 40,000 teachers in the state of Colorado who have been given the message that it is all up to them."

While other states have tried to modify tenure, Colorado's law was the boldest education reform in recent memory, according to Kate Walsh, the president of the Washington-based National Council on Teacher Quality, which promotes changing the way teachers are recruited and retained, including holding tenured teachers accountable with annual reviews.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100613/ap_on_re_us/us_grading_teachers

good for colorado, tenure is a joke and is often responsible for lousy teachers
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Phhlllllbbbbbbttttt. What utter bullshit. People, particularly parents, just want to make teachers accountable for their failures as parents. This sounds like typical right wing bull shit, never being able to be accountable for your own actions. It's always some one elses fault. Without tenure our schools would have only political correct morons for teachers and our empty headed kids would only be able to pray to jesus and say the pledge of allegiance and that would be about it but I'm sure from your point of view Yurt, you would consider that an improvement.

It's the job of teachers to teach students to think and there aint a snowballs chance in hell of that happening with out tenure. What you right wingers are after isn't educational improvement. What you really want is intellectual conformity. You want to make damned sure everyone believes exactly as you do.
 
Messenger of God said:
What's the purpose of giving tenure to high school teachers at all? In the universities it mainly has to do with academic freedom. That's not the case in high schools, since teachers do no research and needn't be worried about that.
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Really? Why don't you try and teach evolutionary theory there in your home state, with out tenure, and see how long you last.

All this "IT'S THE TEACHERS FAULT" politics is not only untrue it's counter productive. How will we be able to attract quality professionals as educators if were going to hold them to these hostile standards?

This drive to punish teachers isn't rational. The over whelming majority of professional educators, considering licensing requirements, are competent professionals. There's only a handfull of inept ones but there are millions of parents who don't provide the emphasis or discipline their children need to advance their education. When are we going to hold them responsible Yurt?
 
SSgt said:
Bad parents should be shot. Look at what they did to Watermark!!
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what if his teachers are to blame.....I rather expect Watermark didn't listen to his mother......the fact his face froze that way and his palms are hairy provide additional evidence.....
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Phhlllllbbbbbbttttt. What utter bullshit. People, particularly parents, just want to make teachers accountable for their failures as parents. This sounds like typical right wing bull shit, never being able to be accountable for your own actions. It's always some one elses fault. Without tenure our schools would have only political correct morons for teachers and our empty headed kids would only be able to pray to jesus and say the pledge of allegiance and that would be about it but I'm sure from your point of view Yurt, you would consider that an improvement.

It's the job of teachers to teach students to think and there aint a snowballs chance in hell of that happening with out tenure. What you right wingers are after isn't educational improvement. What you really want is intellectual conformity. You want to make damned sure everyone believes exactly as you do.
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The above has to be the biggest load of crap anyone has ever dumped on this board in one post.

You talk about accountability and wanting to 'blame someone else' while excusing the teachers from ANY sort of accountability. It IS the teachers job to get the students to LEARN. If not, then what the fuck is the purpose of sending kids to school?

If it is up to the PARENTS to get the kids to learn, then there is NO NEED for teachers at all. Granted, parents who show involvement in their kids education certainly give their kids a leg up and can HELP keep the kids accountable. But your above post is a joke. Pretending the teachers can't teach effectively without tenure? What a crock of shit.

You want parents to become more involved? Go back to FAILING kids and HOLDING THEM BACK a grade when they FAIL rather than passing them along to the next grade where they will automatically be fucked. That is not only a motivator for students, but also for parents as the kid doesn't want his friends leaving him behind and the parents don't want their kid to be THAT kid. (for the most part)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Really? Why don't you try and teach evolutionary theory there in your home state, with out tenure, and see how long you last.

All this "IT'S THE TEACHERS FAULT" politics is not only untrue it's counter productive. How will we be able to attract quality professionals as educators if were going to hold them to these hostile standards?

This drive to punish teachers isn't rational. The over whelming majority of professional educators, considering licensing requirements, are competent professionals. There's only a handfull of inept ones but there are millions of parents who don't provide the emphasis or discipline their children need to advance their education. When are we going to hold them responsible Yurt?
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You are so full of shit. No one is talking about firing teachers for teaching science. No one is talking about firing teachers for teaching other course material. They are talking about being able to fire them for a gross inability to teach and educate their class on the course material.

You are also full of shit to state there are only a handful of inept teachers. If that were truly the case then why does the public school system suck so bad? How has it deteriorated so much over the past 40 years? What is the cause?

While I agree that parents need to be more involved, you attempt to absolve the educational system from responsibility. Instead pretending it is because the parents aren't doing enough.

You want the kids to be more disciplined in learning... RETURN discipline to the schools. Make the punishments harsh enough to deter most students from fucking around.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
This sounds like typical right wing bull shit, never being able to be accountable for your own actions. It's always some one elses fault.
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Actually children's attitudes towards learning and school are formed at home, by interests, and by peers. These do not preclude that academically, knowledgeable, engaging teachers cannot be inspirational, especially at the secondary level when many students are more interested in other activities than academics.

Tenure offers some benefits on the mandated grade levels in that it allows teachers a reasonable security to procure time in the summer/vacation times to apply for courses, seminars, and other activities that add to their base of knowledge. On the other hand, it protects bad teachers that shouldn't be in schools.

Reform, not abolishment is a very good idea. There should be reasonable accountability on measurable fronts.
 
Superfreak said:
You are so full of shit. No one is talking about firing teachers for teaching science. No one is talking about firing teachers for teaching other course material. They are talking about being able to fire them for a gross inability to teach and educate their class on the course material.

You are also full of shit to state there are only a handful of inept teachers. If that were truly the case then why does the public school system suck so bad? How has it deteriorated so much over the past 40 years? What is the cause?

While I agree that parents need to be more involved, you attempt to absolve the educational system from responsibility. Instead pretending it is because the parents aren't doing enough.

You want the kids to be more disciplined in learning... RETURN discipline to the schools. Make the punishments harsh enough to deter most students from fucking around.
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There is no real discipline in schools because it does not pay. What I mean is kids are not easily expelled, suspended, or refused admittance when their behavior deserves it... Why? Because each kid represents 6k-17k depending on the district and state. Schools will do anything to keep a seat warm.

It is not just teachers, though their tenure and union contrived perks dictate the need, but also administrators who are responsible for the budgets...kid moves away or leaves a school and so does the money that follows him/her.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Phhlllllbbbbbbttttt. What utter bullshit. People, particularly parents, just want to make teachers accountable for their failures as parents. This sounds like typical right wing bull shit, never being able to be accountable for your own actions. It's always some one elses fault. Without tenure our schools would have only political correct morons for teachers and our empty headed kids would only be able to pray to jesus and say the pledge of allegiance and that would be about it but I'm sure from your point of view Yurt, you would consider that an improvement.

It's the job of teachers to teach students to think and there aint a snowballs chance in hell of that happening with out tenure. What you right wingers are after isn't educational improvement. What you really want is intellectual conformity. You want to make damned sure everyone believes exactly as you do.
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You believe this to be an attack on conformity where your ideation is the "thought" taught by teachers with tenure protection.
 
Messenger of God said:
Every worker a company fires for union organizing activity should be required to pay that worker a lifetime pension, directly from the CEO's paycheck, and to hire union organizer's to continue the organization effort without company interference.
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Do you even try to arrive at a resonable thought, before you post.

If all you're going to do, is continue to whine about everything; you're going to visit Yellow_Peril in the round file.
You're becoming tiresome. :palm:
 
SSgt said:
Bad parents should be shot. Look at what they did to Watermark!!
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That's an excellent point...and theirs millions of them out there. Many, many more times those kind of parents out there then teachers, just think of all the little Watermarks running around out there and this teacher bashing shit aint helping.
 
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