Important lessons the US has taught us all.

Lowaicue

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I watch you all spewing illogical and shortsighted hatred to anyone with whom you disagree and I have joined in and will, no doubt, join in again. But I think your election has held up some important lessons - whether people learn from them is another matter.

So, in no particular order here are a few thoughts.

1. Four year terms work against progress. There is only a certain amount one government can achieve in a four year term, which means that the likelihood is that most people will be disatisfied in one way or another.
So that must be changed. Look at how non elected governments manage to 'get things done'. Not suggesting that dictatorships are what is needed, but there must be the opportunity for major policy decisions to be taken and followed through.

2. Democracy, as it is understood in America and in most western nations, no longer works. It did work to a limited degree - now it doesn't work. That is not to say people should not have a voice. One may introduce more referenda or devolve more decision making to smaller units. Some American states, California, Texas, for example still might need to be cut up a bit.

3. Hatred, vitriol. The worst manifestation of modern politics ever to emerge. We had not really seen it until we saw it in America. Polarisation cannot, let me repeat - cannot allow good government to develop.

4. Two party systems no longer work. People are too diverse. Peoples requirements, desires, wishes are different now from what they were even ten years ago. However, with money as it is, there is no way other parties will ever have the chance to grow and develop. Therefore election funding must be controlled. Parties should be permitted a fixed time on TV and Radio and be completely banned from all other forms of promotion. (I dont know how that would be done either, but somehow the playing field must be levelled for all).

5. Head of State (President for the US). No real power. A veto for special circumstances and an advisory roll. His (or her) job should be simply to represent the country. To promote the country overseas (that's how you get more money into your coffers. Without it you just recycle.

6. Don't spend time arguing about which monkey should get the banana. Get out of the cage. Get out of the zoo and make your macro decisions from there.

I doubt that anyone will agree but who knows.
 
We have an officer called the Secretary of State. Outgoing Hillary Clinton has been representing us overseas for the past four years in the place of our head of state. This was really the only point worth commenting on...
 
This country wouod work fine IF everyone had a love of facts.

The current republican party has NOTHING they consider fact if they dont like the content.

They will deny court documented evidence if they dont like what it infers.

How do you reason with a person who refuses reason?
 
Lowiq, your country is soo shitty tou won't live in it.
I won't read your drivel, as toothless Brits can't even fix their teeth much less gov.
 
Like Obama?
When he called the SEALs they got bin Ladin.
When the seals called Obama they got denied!

He was told they were under attack by well trained professionals using modern professional military tactics, this didn't match his world view so he ignored it!
 
Lowiq, your country is soo shitty tou won't live in it.
I won't read your drivel, as toothless Brits can't even fix their teeth much less gov.

I am fortunate. I have the choice. I can live in my house in England or I can live in my apartment in Hong Kong. At this time of the year it doesn't take an Einstein to see that 24-27 C and sunshine is a little better than 9C and rain. I'd rather turn on a fan than a radiator. I'd rather walk a few miles to watch dolphins than shiver half a mile to get a few groceries. Yesterday we went to one of the larger islands and strolled along the beach and sat with a very expensive beer and lunch of Nasi Goreng before taking a boat back to the greatest shopping centre in the world (which I hate, but am prepared to put up with for the wife's sake.)
Teeth? No that was a myth started by jealous yanks at a time when we were fighting the Hun and had very little to eat as ordinary guys were sent 'over the top' by absentee generals. Were you old enough you might know a little of your own history and remember the dirt poor in the thirties. The Grapes of Wrath might be a good place for you to start.
 
Exactly as I thought. A third world shithole is better than England.

You should save your pennies and explore the world. You may be pleasantly surprised. Meanwhile I would recommend Google Earth where you can 'virtually' wander the streets Hong Kong and london or, failing that, check out the Hong Kong tourist board website. Third world? LOL.
 
I've got more than my kids will ever spend. Too much of this great country to see and live in than lower my standards to honk kong. Lol
 
You should save your pennies and explore the world. You may be pleasantly surprised. Meanwhile I would recommend Google Earth where you can 'virtually' wander the streets Hong Kong and london or, failing that, check out the Hong Kong tourist board website. Third world? LOL.

Isn't Hong Kong real estate the most expensive in Asia?
 
Isn't Hong Kong real estate the most expensive in Asia?

I'm guessing it must be. Sometimes it is HK sometimes Tokyo. We have apartments with a monthly rent of up to $150,000 thats over 12,000 quid! Very nice they are but ......
There was a duplex, about 1800 ft total a few months ago just a stones throw from our new Harrow School for HK$39 million. Nearly 3.2 million quid and it was a high floor and the building was on a converted lorry park and many of the lorries still park there!
The annoying thing is that prices do not have to be that high. There is, despite rumours to the contrary, loads of land, but the developers run the government and allow small parcels of land onto the market rather as de Beers controls diamonds...only diamonds are cheaper!
 
I watch you all spewing illogical and shortsighted hatred to anyone with whom you disagree and I have joined in and will, no doubt, join in again. But I think your election has held up some important lessons - whether people learn from them is another matter.

So, in no particular order here are a few thoughts.

1. Four year terms work against progress. There is only a certain amount one government can achieve in a four year term, which means that the likelihood is that most people will be disatisfied in one way or another.
So that must be changed. Look at how non elected governments manage to 'get things done'. Not suggesting that dictatorships are what is needed, but there must be the opportunity for major policy decisions to be taken and followed through.

2. Democracy, as it is understood in America and in most western nations, no longer works. It did work to a limited degree - now it doesn't work. That is not to say people should not have a voice. One may introduce more referenda or devolve more decision making to smaller units. Some American states, California, Texas, for example still might need to be cut up a bit.

3. Hatred, vitriol. The worst manifestation of modern politics ever to emerge. We had not really seen it until we saw it in America. Polarisation cannot, let me repeat - cannot allow good government to develop.

4. Two party systems no longer work. People are too diverse. Peoples requirements, desires, wishes are different now from what they were even ten years ago. However, with money as it is, there is no way other parties will ever have the chance to grow and develop. Therefore election funding must be controlled. Parties should be permitted a fixed time on TV and Radio and be completely banned from all other forms of promotion. (I dont know how that would be done either, but somehow the playing field must be levelled for all).

5. Head of State (President for the US). No real power. A veto for special circumstances and an advisory roll. His (or her) job should be simply to represent the country. To promote the country overseas (that's how you get more money into your coffers. Without it you just recycle.

6. Don't spend time arguing about which monkey should get the banana. Get out of the cage. Get out of the zoo and make your macro decisions from there.

I doubt that anyone will agree but who knows.
Yup. You're right. I don't agree. :)
 
This country wouod work fine IF everyone had a love of facts.

The current republican party has NOTHING they consider fact if they dont like the content.

They will deny court documented evidence if they dont like what it infers.

How do you reason with a person who refuses reason?

so full of Irony!!!!!!
 
I'm guessing it must be. Sometimes it is HK sometimes Tokyo. We have apartments with a monthly rent of up to $150,000 thats over 12,000 quid! Very nice they are but ......
There was a duplex, about 1800 ft total a few months ago just a stones throw from our new Harrow School for HK$39 million. Nearly 3.2 million quid and it was a high floor and the building was on a converted lorry park and many of the lorries still park there!
The annoying thing is that prices do not have to be that high. There is, despite rumours to the contrary, loads of land, but the developers run the government and allow small parcels of land onto the market rather as de Beers controls diamonds...only diamonds are cheaper!

What about Macau or Kowloon? Is that cheaper?
 
It is all very well saying two party systems don't work very well but look at countries that do have multi party systems like Israel or Italy.

It is not a question of either this or that. Two party democracies, generally, do not work well for most people. That doesn't suggest that multi party democracies are the only alternative.
The most efficient governments are non-democratic but few would opt for that. So somewhere between or beyond lies an answer.
 
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