IF, an unpoven IF, Russia did act to influence, could it have been to prevent a WAR?!

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The Russian Intelligence agencies have a certain amount of world wide power. In the very same way that our intelligence agencies have a certain amount of world-wide power.

IF they used that power, to slightly advantage Trump over Clinton, it only occured because they exposed True Actions of Ineptness, Corruption and Treason which Obama and Hillary were Ligitimately guilty of... Trump has his skeletons, but not from National Government Service, so a similar thing could not be done to Trump.

IF they used that power to advance Trump, instead of Hillary, we do not KNOW their motivations, but it is possible it is because Hillary has been advancing the concept of WAR with Russia over the Crimea and Trump has not!

It is actually comforting to me, to think that these actions were probably done by Russia, if indeed they did do them, to Stop a War with the United States!



If a "TRAITOR" is exposed by our international opponents/rivals, but the TREASON can be locally confirmed...

...why are we complaining?


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I think that the whole "Russia did it" is bullshit. But, using your premise, Putin would have to assume that Clinton would have been more likely to confront Russia in whatever Easter Europe power grab that he may be planning. Or, during some routine head-of-state gathering, he'd rather hang out with Trump and his Eye Candy then Ms. Paintsuit.
 
Kurmugeon said:
The Russian Intelligence agencies have a certain amount of world wide power. In the very same way that our intelligence agencies have a certain amount of world-wide power.

IF they used that power, to slightly advantage Trump over Clinton, it only occured because they exposed True Actions of Ineptness, Corruption and Treason which Obama and Hillary were Ligitimately guilty of... Trump has his skeletons, but not from National Government Service, so a similar thing could not be done to Trump.

IF they used that power to advance Trump, instead of Hillary, we do not KNOW their motivations, but it is possible it is because Hillary has been advancing the concept of WAR with Russia over the Crimea and Trump has not!

It is actually comforting to me, to think that these actions were probably done by Russia, if indeed they did do them, to Stop a War with the United States!



If a "TRAITOR" is exposed by our international opponents/rivals, but the TREASON can be locally confirmed...

...why are we complaining?


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This is ridiculous. Dems have taken a direction of negotiations with Russia at every turn. The idea that Clinton was going to present a direction even more bellicose than that promoted by the GOP can not be supported in ANY way.

Plus, there are at least two reasons for Russia to want Trump that actually make sense.

Trump has business dealings with Russia and Putin could well see Trump as being far more interested in making money than in opposing Russian directions in Eastern Europe, Turkey, Syria, Iran, and other places.

Also, Trump is FAR less oriented to forming and holding a pro-US foreign policy, as his decision making is purely situational. Russia has a lot to gain by moving the US away from holding a consistent policy direction on Europe, Syria, Iran, Turkey, or anything else.

In his interview with Banon, Trump was asked about foreign policy wrt Turkey. Did he have anything to say about their economic problems/solutions, about the EU, about the Black Sea, about their neighbor Syria, about oil, about Iraq, about the Kurdish population and it's connection with Iraq and desire for autonomy????

No. He talked about his hotels there!!

Regardless of what they did, Russia must be thrilled!
 
WillReadmore said:
This is ridiculous. Dems have taken a direction of negotiations with Russia at every turn. The idea that Clinton was going to present a direction even more bellicose than that promoted by the GOP can not be supported in ANY way.

Plus, there are at least two reasons for Russia to want Trump that actually make sense.

Trump has business dealings with Russia and Putin could well see Trump as being far more interested in making money than in opposing Russian directions in Eastern Europe, Turkey, Syria, Iran, and other places.

Also, Trump is FAR less oriented to forming and holding a pro-US foreign policy, as his decision making is purely situational. Russia has a lot to gain by moving the US away from holding a consistent policy direction on Europe, Syria, Iran, Turkey, or anything else.

In his interview with Banon, Trump was asked about foreign policy wrt Turkey. Did he have anything to say about their economic problems/solutions, about the EU, about the Black Sea, about their neighbor Syria, about oil, about Iraq, about the Kurdish population and it's connection with Iraq and desire for autonomy????

No. He talked about his hotels there!!

Regardless of what they did, Russia must be thrilled!
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completely incorrect.
Clinton has said she want's a "no fly" in Syria ( confronting Russian air)-and more then once called out Trump for being "friendly" with Putin.
(which he is not)

Obama and Putin can barely stand being in the same room together, Obama refers to his "bad boy slouching" for reasons they can't negotiate.

From Reset to Realpolitik, Clinton’s New Hard Line on Moscow
As president, Hillary Clinton is prepared to take a much tougher stance on Russia than Trump — or even Obama.
Syria’s civil war will be the first test. http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/22/hillary-clintons-new-colder-cold-war-russia-putin-election/
 
I do NOT approve of Russia military actions in the Crimea.

That said,

We've allot more important things to do, like getting Working Americans Prosperous again, than another Military adventure to give Lefties Power.


The People of the Ukraine and the Crimea are not powerless, just like the people of Iraq are not powerless, to defend their own nation.


I see no reason why American Lives should be spent doing so.


ISIS, particularly with the 100s of Thousands of Muslims Obama has imported, is much, much more of an American Threat and Issue.


We need to finnish off ISIS, and then rebuild for at least a decade, before we even think of any more "Adventures".


And we need to send ALL of the Obama Muslim Imports HOME!



Obama ignored immigration LAW bringing them here, which makes the Illegal Immigrants. The President does not have the Authority to set or BREAK immigration law!


We should start the Deportations by March, 2017!


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Trump called for, and used the influence of a foreign power to win the election... many would agree that foreign power is, in many ways, our enemy.
As he has so many times said..."the election was rigged"...
The constitution provides that this is grounds for the Electoral Collage to reject the traitorous scumbag...
They will do their sworn duty to the constitution on December 19th...
 
anatta said:
completely incorrect.
Clinton has said she want's a "no fly" in Syria ( confronting Russian air)-and more then once called out Trump for being "friendly" with Putin.
(which he is not)

Obama and Putin can barely stand being in the same room together, Obama refers to his "bad boy slouching" for reasons they can't negotiate.

From Reset to Realpolitik, Clinton’s New Hard Line on Moscow
As president, Hillary Clinton is prepared to take a much tougher stance on Russia than Trump — or even Obama.
Syria’s civil war will be the first test. http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/22/hillary-clintons-new-colder-cold-war-russia-putin-election/
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Yes - Russia is bombing Syrian civilians who oppose Assad, regardless of whether they are terrorists, revolutionaries, or people trying to feed and raise their children.

And, Assad is actually singling out civilians for the slaughter on religious sectarian grounds.

There definitely should be a no-fly zone of Syria, with those poor, poor Ruskies being denied the opportunity to blow families to bloody bits of flesh.
 
WillReadmore said:
This is ridiculous. Dems have taken a direction of negotiations with Russia at every turn. The idea that Clinton was going to present a direction even more bellicose than that promoted by the GOP can not be supported in ANY way.

Plus, there are at least two reasons for Russia to want Trump that actually make sense.

Trump has business dealings with Russia and Putin could well see Trump as being far more interested in making money than in opposing Russian directions in Eastern Europe, Turkey, Syria, Iran, and other places.

Also, Trump is FAR less oriented to forming and holding a pro-US foreign policy, as his decision making is purely situational. Russia has a lot to gain by moving the US away from holding a consistent policy direction on Europe, Syria, Iran, Turkey, or anything else.

In his interview with Banon, Trump was asked about foreign policy wrt Turkey. Did he have anything to say about their economic problems/solutions, about the EU, about the Black Sea, about their neighbor Syria, about oil, about Iraq, about the Kurdish population and it's connection with Iraq and desire for autonomy????

No. He talked about his hotels there!!

Regardless of what they did, Russia must be thrilled!
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Clinton, Obama, and quite a few Republicans see Russia and China as our enemies....Trump sees no reason why we all cannot co-exist...

Trump has business dealings practically all over the world, and so does Russia and practically every other nation....business could actually bring country's closer. No harm in that.
As for the greed motive, that is but your opinion, not any more or less valid than anyone elses opinion. There is certainly no value in the US getting the short end of the stick in
every business transaction we make....

Your next paragraph is again opinion and conjecture.

Trump has made it quite clear that hes will disclose some things especially to potential adversaries.

opinion again.
 
WillReadmore said:
Yes - Russia is bombing Syrian civilians who oppose Assad, regardless of whether they are terrorists, revolutionaries, or people trying to feed and raise their children.

And, Assad is actually singling out civilians for the slaughter on religious sectarian grounds.

There definitely should be a no-fly zone of Syria, with those poor, poor Ruskies being denied the opportunity to blow families to bloody bits of flesh.
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ridiculous...a no fly puts us right up against Russian air. Do you know what it takes by our military to maintain a no fly?
what happens when we conflict with Russia?

At most we should be calling on Assad to provide corridors for civilian fleeing the bombing. which we have been doing.
We're spectators in Syria, Obama's "red line" and Russian FM Lavrov's taking up Kerry on ridding Assad's WMD's ensured that role
 
NOVA said:
Clinton, Obama, and quite a few Republicans see Russia and China as our enemies....Trump sees no reason why we all cannot co-exist...

Trump has business dealings practically all over the world, and so does Russia and practically every other nation....business could actually bring country's closer. No harm in that.
As for the greed motive, that is but your opinion, not any more or less valid than anyone elses opinion. There is certainly no value in the US getting the short end of the stick in
every business transaction we make....

Your next paragraph is again opinion and conjecture.

Trump has made it quite clear that hes will disclose some things especially to potential adversaries.

opinion again.
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Excellently put! Thank you!

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NOVA said:
Clinton, Obama, and quite a few Republicans see Russia and China as our enemies....Trump sees no reason why we all cannot co-exist...

Trump has business dealings practically all over the world, and so does Russia and practically every other nation....business could actually bring country's closer. No harm in that.
As for the greed motive, that is but your opinion, not any more or less valid than anyone elses opinion. There is certainly no value in the US getting the short end of the stick in
every business transaction we make....

Your next paragraph is again opinion and conjecture.

Trump has made it quite clear that hes will disclose some things especially to potential adversaries.

opinion again.
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Commie pinko traitor...
Poor Blabo...
 
NOVA said:
Clinton, Obama, and quite a few Republicans see Russia and China as our enemies....Trump sees no reason why we all cannot co-exist...

Trump has business dealings practically all over the world, and so does Russia and practically every other nation....business could actually bring country's closer. No harm in that.
As for the greed motive, that is but your opinion, not any more or less valid than anyone elses opinion. There is certainly no value in the US getting the short end of the stick in
every business transaction we make....

Your next paragraph is again opinion and conjecture.

Trump has made it quite clear that hes will disclose some things especially to potential adversaries.

opinion again.
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This is false, obviously.

The US negotiated the P5+1 deal with Iran, with Russia being one of the P5 (obviously).

The US has spent months negotiating with Russia concerning a solution in Syria. While this has not been successful, it is because of Russia's failure to hold to the steps to which they have agreed during negotiation.

The US has had talks with Russian concerning what's going on in Eastern Europe.

The record shows that there is no "proxy war" or any other sign of violent behavior or lack of willingness to work together with Russia, though there are significant differences on several issues.

There absolutely IS harm when the issues between nations end up being reduced to personal financial gain for the leaders.
 
anatta said:
ridiculous...a no fly puts us right up against Russian air. Do you know what it takes by our military to maintain a no fly?
what happens when we conflict with Russia?

At most we should be calling on Assad to provide corridors for civilian fleeing the bombing. which we have been doing.
We're spectators in Syria, Obama's "red line" and Russian FM Lavrov's taking up Kerry on ridding Assad's WMD's ensured that role
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Who said there had to be a conflict with Russia???

The no-fly direction would include agreement with Russia, obviously. The primary offender is Assad.

We should be stopping Assad's slaughter, not simply providing ways for Syrian civilians to flee the slaughter.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Trump called for, and used the influence of a foreign power to win the election... many would agree that foreign power is, in many ways, our enemy.
As he has so many times said..."the election was rigged"...
The constitution provides that this is grounds for the Electoral Collage to reject the traitorous scumbag...
They will do their sworn duty to the constitution on December 19th...
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Looool
 
I am getting allot of odd questions about this story, and what is/has happened.

I am being accused of not providing links in the OP...


It is only the biggest story in Political/International News since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I assumed that any who frequents a political web forum would be familiar with the story, it is EVERYWHERE on the News and Internet News coverage.

But if you need ME to provide links...



Google: Official Head of US Spy agency states Russia hack 2016 Election

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_...nal_Intelligence.2C_Homeland_Security_and_CIA

Russian hacking and the 2016 election, explained - CNNPolitics.com

Top US Spy Agency: CIA Can't Prove Intent Over Russia Hacking - Leah Barkoukis

Exclusive: Top U.S. spy agency has not embraced CIA assessment on Russia hacking - sources | Reuters

https://www.rt.com/usa/370097-odni-abstain-cia-russian-hack-election/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/u...sensus-grows-that-russia-hacked-dnc.html?_r=0

U.S. intelligence officials say Russian hacks 'prioritized' Democrats - Chicago Tribune

U.S. has high confidence Russian intelligence agency hacked DNC, DCCC - CBS News


Essentially, the Radical Left Wing Dems attempted to use a 1975 court ruling in another instance of a foreign government interfering with an election, as a court ruling precident which would allow Obama to stay in office for 2 more years as President until a new Presidential Election could be held in 2018.

The head of the office of National Intelligence, Officially came out to announce with clarity, that the Official Intelligence Agency Evaluation does NOT give that level of indictment against the Trump Campaign, or anyone in the GOP.

They stated that they believe that the Russians DID in fact play a part in the hacking into DNC email accounts, and the release of information which had a minor impact on the 2016 election, but it was not a deterministic impact, it did NOT Set the outcome, but rather only had a minor influence.

They stated that they know Russia was envolved, but they do NOT know the motivation.

They stated that there is NO Evidence that Trump was in contact with Russia on the subject of the hacking and email information release.

They stated that there is NOT any reason for the transfer of power from Obama to Trump to be halted in any way!

They stated that there is an ongoing investigation as to what exactly happened, but the fundemental vulnerability that lead to the DNC email system being hacked came from Hillary's use of a Private Email server, which is a break of LAW, and all U.S. official security protocols and regulations.

If Hillary had not broken the LAW, none of the Russian Hacking would have been possible.


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Essentially, the DNC and Radical wing of the Democratic Party attempted to use an off-the-record remark by political appointee, and recent convert to Islam, head of the CIA, Brenan, as a justification and pretext to commit a political Coup, halting the transfer of power from Obama to Trump, by means of accusations (Which were determined to be FALSE) of Trump-Russian Collusion to Hack DNC emails.

Brenan's and the CIA's BOSS, the agency which heads the U.S. Intel efforts, had an Official Spokesman, come out this morning to set the record straight with a rare official announcement which Cut OFF any possible LEGAL halt to the Transfer of POTUS to Trump!

The Obama Administration Attempted a COUP to stay in power for another two years, and the Government Official at the top of the U.S. Intel Organizaiton Shut down the Coup Attempt!



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Okay, from questions on another forum, I think I understand where some of the confusion is coming from.

There is not ONE current, Elect Hillary Coup attempt going on... there are TWO separate Coups being attempted.

This is from another forum, but may help clear up the confusion:

But...

1. Is anybody saying that the Russians actually defrauded the election? I don't think so. All American votes were counted properly and (aside from the usual accusations which come at every election), nobody is saying that the Russians compromised this. Therefore, how can the election be overturned? Americans choosing to vote some way based on propaganda is not relevant. Their vote is their vote. There is no way to overturn the election except based on fraud at the ballot count.

2. Why have another election? In any case where the election results are not respected, SCOTUS would need to rule that there has been clear and result-altering fraud. This would simply flip the winner to Clinton, not order another election. Let's say the Russians stuffed WI, MI, and PA boxes with 100,000 Trump votes each. There, Clinton wins.


The election seems pretty secure to me. I'd rate 37 electors switching to Clinton more likely than a new election. Still next to impossible, but more so than 2 years of Obama. There would be a civil war over that.
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No one is saying that the Russian changed the vote count by hacking into the voting machines or data bases.

It is Illegal for Foriegn Interest to Manipulate American elections, and the 1975 court case, set a legal precident, that if a significant level of Foriegn Involvement "Influenced" an election, the current office holder will stay in office until a new, regular scheduled election can be held.

This is NOT the EC Electors acting as "faithless electors" defecting from their pledges, thing you may have heard about. That is a different Coup attempt being facilitated by the Hillary Campaign Never-Acceptors.

This is an attempt, using legal manipulations by previous court precidents, to keep Obama in office until 2018, when we will have an election "Do Over".

The Evidence of the proven "Influence" is being claimed to come from the CIA, and Benan, the Obama Muslim Brotherhood Appointee in control of the CIA.

No one is claiming that the Russians change the vote count by getting into the voting machines. They are claiming that the release Email Server information "Influenced" the election, which is illegal, and a 1975 court precident states that when that happens, the current office holder stays until a new, regularly scheduled election can take place.

The EC college "Faithless Elector" Coup attempt is a Separate Coup.

This is, so far, a Tale of Two Coups!

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