I Paid for Free Speech at Arizona State

cawacko

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I preface these comments by saying I wouldn't invite Charlie Kirk to my campus but that being said this story is not a one off or outlier when it comes to the suppression of free speech on college campuses. I don't agree per se when people accuse Universities of being indoctrination centers but this is an example of why some believe that. The whole idea that Universities should be safe spaces and students free from hearing 'harmful' rhetoric, aka something they disagree with, is antithetical to what Universities are supposed to be. I don't see how it benefits our country to have our future political, business and social leaders in environments where they are sheltered from debate and differing perspectives.

I'm sure most remember the now famous 'Sista Souljah moment' Bill Clinton had on the campaign trail in 1992 when he called her out for her extremist views. After he did that she spoke on my campus, and I went to listen to her. She certainly didn't disappoint and one her loudest applause lines was when she said 'since I was young I vowed I'd never let a white boy touch my body and I never have'. Regardless of whether that was P.C. or not I enjoyed hearing her perspective and was glad I attended.

The WSJ had a big article recently on George Soros' son who is taking over for his father. The son is progressive like his father and plans to continue in politics but one thing he said that stood out was (paraphrasing here) 'unlike many in my generation I support free speech on college campuses'. That was eye opening and speaks to how ingrained the support for restriction of speech and heterodox views are.

College is supposed to be a place for growth both socially and intellectually and I don't think I'm alone in thinking we are doing a huge disservice to young people with the current atmosphere regarding speech and debate on many campuses.




I Paid for Free Speech at Arizona State

The university is firing me for organizing an event featuring Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager.


I thought that Arizona State University, my alma mater and employer, was different from other schools when it came to free speech. In 2011 the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression awarded ASU a “green light” rating for its written policies on freedom of expression. The university happily complied when FIRE suggested it adopt the Chicago Principles and protect the “free, robust and uninhibited sharing of ideas among all members of the University’s community.” The ASU Barrett Honors College has even been home to heterodox initiatives like the T.W. Lewis Center for Personal Development, where I served as executive director for the last two years.

But beneath ASU’s written commitment to intellectual diversity lies a deep hostility toward divergent views. The latest trouble started in February when the Lewis Center hosted Robert Kiyosaki, Dennis Prager and Charlie Kirk for an event on “Health, Wealth, and Happiness.” This nonpartisan program was part of a popular speaker series focused on connecting students with professionals who can offer career and life advice.

At the names of Messrs. Prager and Kirk, the faculty of ASU’s honors college were outraged. Thirty-nine of its 47 faculty signed a letter to the dean condemning the event on grounds that the speakers are “purveyors of hate who have publicly attacked women, people of color, the LGBTQ community, [and] institutions of our democracy.” The signers decried ASU “platforming and legitimating” their views, describing Messrs. Prager and Kirk as “white nationalist provocateurs” whose comments would undermine the value of democratic exchange by marginalizing the school’s most vulnerable students.

The faculty protests extended beyond the letter. Professors spent precious class time denouncing the program. On Twitter they lamented the university’s willingness to allow donor input on campus events. Mr. Prager received a death threat, forcing municipal and campus police to enact extensive security measures.

The event’s topic made no difference to the faculty protesting it. The political views of Messrs. Prager and Kirk rendered both men personae non grata on any issue. The message to students was clear: Nuance is impossible in the presence of “wrongthink”; the offender must either comply or face sweeping castigation.

The university administration’s position on the event was no secret. All advertising about “Health, Wealth, and Happiness” was scrubbed from campus walls and digital flyers. Behind closed doors, deans pressured me to postpone the event indefinitely. I was warned that if the speakers made any political statements, it wouldn’t be in the Lewis Center’s “best interests,” which I interpreted as a threat.

I ignored their threats and the event was a resounding success—1,500 people attended in person, another 24,000 joined us online. There were no protests, no disturbances, and no traumatized students. But the faculty’s illiberal tantrum was devastatingly effective on two fronts.

First, the scare tactics worked on undergraduates. Many students told me they were intimidated by professors into not attending. Some would attend only if we promised that cameras wouldn’t face the audience. Students worried that attending or expressing interest in the event would hurt them academically. Grades for ambiguous things like “class participation” give professors the ability to punish students for their politics. The success of professors’ fearmongering was reflected in the audience, where older attendees outnumbered the students.

Second, the event cost its organizers dearly. Shortly after “Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” Lin Blake, the events operations manager at ASU Gammage Theater, was fired by ASU Gammage. Before her firing, Ms. Blake told me that she was “berated by ASU Gammage leadership for coordinating an event that did not align with the values of ASU Gammage.” And as of June 30, ASU will dismantle the Lewis Center and terminate my position as its executive director. Barrett Honors College leadership told me this is purely a business decision, despite my raising more than $500,000 in the last year through the center.

(ASU Gammage executives didn’t respond to a request for comment about Ms. Blake’s termination.)

The biggest losers here are unquestionably ASU students, who have now been taught that success requires conformity rather than free thought. Additionally, the campus will no longer be able to benefit from the Lewis Center, which has helped countless students prepare for job interviews, build professional networks, manage their finances, and master important life skills. Students, parents and community partners all loved it. It was tremendous. Soon it will be gone.

ASU claims to value freedom of expression. But in the end the faculty mob always wins against institutional protections for free speech. If a culture that promotes the free exchange of ideas isn’t adequately fostered at “green light” rated ASU, is any school really safe?

Ms. Atkinson is executive director of the T.W. Lewis Center for Personal Development at ASU’s Barrett Honors College.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-paid...r-faculty-27c10a72?mod=hp_opin_pos_6#cxrecs_s
 
"Hey guys let's hear this Hitler guy out, his ideas are different from ours, but what harm can ideas do?"

-someone in 1930s Germany, probably
 
And it's hilarious how many times I have to point this out, freedom of speech does not mean anyone owes you a platform. It does not mean no one gets to get mad at you for what you say.
 
And it's hilarious how many times I have to point this out, freedom of speech does not mean anyone owes you a platform. It does not mean no one gets to get mad at you for what you say.

feel free to point out anything that kirk or prager have said that makes them a democrat

also, what you fail to point out is that if anyplace says that they are going to protect free exchange of ideas and expressions, it's beyond hypocritical to come back and say 'but not those ideas'.................

anyone who supports denying those freedoms because they don't agree with the speaker is even worse than what they are accusing that speaker of
 
And it's hilarious how many times I have to point this out, freedom of speech does not mean anyone owes you a platform. It does not mean no one gets to get mad at you for what you say.

Fine tell the gays and trannies they have no right to a platform and see what happens
 
"Hey guys let's hear this Hitler guy out, his ideas are different from ours, but what harm can ideas do?"

-someone in 1930s Germany, probably

I actually appreciate this response because this is the mindset of those who support reducing of speech on campuses across the country. Universities were, in theory, supposed to be a place where ideas were discussed and debated. Today it's far more akin to 'if you say or think something that I disagree with then you are Hitler'.

What's most fascinating is hearing liberal professors talk about changing how they teach their classes due to the more illiberal mindset of students and the University higher ups who bow to their wishes.
 
I actually appreciate this response because this is the mindset of those who support reducing of speech on campuses across the country. Universities were, in theory, supposed to be a place where ideas were discussed and debated. Today it's far more akin to 'if you say or think something that I disagree with then you are Hitler'.

What's most fascinating is hearing liberal professors talk about changing how they teach their classes due to the more illiberal mindset of students and the University higher ups who bow to their wishes.

Yawn. "boo hoo the liberals are too liberal these days!" This sentiment is nothing new. Check out this sketch from 1993 by the Kids in the Hall


Now you may laugh at the premise of those students ruining the class by being too liberal, and it's clearly part of the joke, but pay attention at the end. The only students left in the class are pigs that just wanted to see someone naked, that's where your lot fit in. Unwashed hogs.
 
Yawn. "boo hoo the liberals are too liberal these days!" This sentiment is nothing new. Check out this sketch from 1993 by the Kids in the Hall


Now you may laugh at the premise of those students ruining the class by being too liberal, and it's clearly part of the joke, but pay attention at the end. The only students left in the class are pigs that just wanted to see someone naked, that's where your lot fit in. Unwashed hogs.

It's interesting, growing up in Oakland my folks were friends with a number of people that went to Cal Berkeley in the '60's. And God help you when they started drinking and reliving stories of participating in the Free Speech Movement and (the women) speaking about how sexy Mario Savio was. Today, supporters of free speech are now unwashed hogs.

Like I said in the intro, I don't buy the 'colleges indoctrinate kids' argument but reading this makes me more sympathetic to it.
 
I preface these comments by saying I wouldn't invite Charlie Kirk to my campus but that being said this story is not a one off or outlier when it comes to the suppression of free speech on college campuses. I don't agree per se when people accuse Universities of being indoctrination centers but this is an example of why some believe that. The whole idea that Universities should be safe spaces and students free from hearing 'harmful' rhetoric, aka something they disagree with, is antithetical to what Universities are supposed to be. I don't see how it benefits our country to have our future political, business and social leaders in environments where they are sheltered from debate and differing perspectives.

I'm sure most remember the now famous 'Sista Souljah moment' Bill Clinton had on the campaign trail in 1992 when he called her out for her extremist views. After he did that she spoke on my campus, and I went to listen to her. She certainly didn't disappoint and one her loudest applause lines was when she said 'since I was young I vowed I'd never let a white boy touch my body and I never have'. Regardless of whether that was P.C. or not I enjoyed hearing her perspective and was glad I attended.

The WSJ had a big article recently on George Soros' son who is taking over for his father. The son is progressive like his father and plans to continue in politics but one thing he said that stood out was (paraphrasing here) 'unlike many in my generation I support free speech on college campuses'. That was eye opening and speaks to how ingrained the support for restriction of speech and heterodox views are.

College is supposed to be a place for growth both socially and intellectually and I don't think I'm alone in thinking we are doing a huge disservice to young people with the current atmosphere regarding speech and debate on many campuses.




I Paid for Free Speech at Arizona State

The university is firing me for organizing an event featuring Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager.


I thought that Arizona State University, my alma mater and employer, was different from other schools when it came to free speech. In 2011 the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression awarded ASU a “green light” rating for its written policies on freedom of expression. The university happily complied when FIRE suggested it adopt the Chicago Principles and protect the “free, robust and uninhibited sharing of ideas among all members of the University’s community.” The ASU Barrett Honors College has even been home to heterodox initiatives like the T.W. Lewis Center for Personal Development, where I served as executive director for the last two years.

But beneath ASU’s written commitment to intellectual diversity lies a deep hostility toward divergent views. The latest trouble started in February when the Lewis Center hosted Robert Kiyosaki, Dennis Prager and Charlie Kirk for an event on “Health, Wealth, and Happiness.” This nonpartisan program was part of a popular speaker series focused on connecting students with professionals who can offer career and life advice.

At the names of Messrs. Prager and Kirk, the faculty of ASU’s honors college were outraged. Thirty-nine of its 47 faculty signed a letter to the dean condemning the event on grounds that the speakers are “purveyors of hate who have publicly attacked women, people of color, the LGBTQ community, [and] institutions of our democracy.” The signers decried ASU “platforming and legitimating” their views, describing Messrs. Prager and Kirk as “white nationalist provocateurs” whose comments would undermine the value of democratic exchange by marginalizing the school’s most vulnerable students.

The faculty protests extended beyond the letter. Professors spent precious class time denouncing the program. On Twitter they lamented the university’s willingness to allow donor input on campus events. Mr. Prager received a death threat, forcing municipal and campus police to enact extensive security measures.

The event’s topic made no difference to the faculty protesting it. The political views of Messrs. Prager and Kirk rendered both men personae non grata on any issue. The message to students was clear: Nuance is impossible in the presence of “wrongthink”; the offender must either comply or face sweeping castigation.

The university administration’s position on the event was no secret. All advertising about “Health, Wealth, and Happiness” was scrubbed from campus walls and digital flyers. Behind closed doors, deans pressured me to postpone the event indefinitely. I was warned that if the speakers made any political statements, it wouldn’t be in the Lewis Center’s “best interests,” which I interpreted as a threat.

I ignored their threats and the event was a resounding success—1,500 people attended in person, another 24,000 joined us online. There were no protests, no disturbances, and no traumatized students. But the faculty’s illiberal tantrum was devastatingly effective on two fronts.

First, the scare tactics worked on undergraduates. Many students told me they were intimidated by professors into not attending. Some would attend only if we promised that cameras wouldn’t face the audience. Students worried that attending or expressing interest in the event would hurt them academically. Grades for ambiguous things like “class participation” give professors the ability to punish students for their politics. The success of professors’ fearmongering was reflected in the audience, where older attendees outnumbered the students.

Second, the event cost its organizers dearly. Shortly after “Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” Lin Blake, the events operations manager at ASU Gammage Theater, was fired by ASU Gammage. Before her firing, Ms. Blake told me that she was “berated by ASU Gammage leadership for coordinating an event that did not align with the values of ASU Gammage.” And as of June 30, ASU will dismantle the Lewis Center and terminate my position as its executive director. Barrett Honors College leadership told me this is purely a business decision, despite my raising more than $500,000 in the last year through the center.

(ASU Gammage executives didn’t respond to a request for comment about Ms. Blake’s termination.)

The biggest losers here are unquestionably ASU students, who have now been taught that success requires conformity rather than free thought. Additionally, the campus will no longer be able to benefit from the Lewis Center, which has helped countless students prepare for job interviews, build professional networks, manage their finances, and master important life skills. Students, parents and community partners all loved it. It was tremendous. Soon it will be gone.

ASU claims to value freedom of expression. But in the end the faculty mob always wins against institutional protections for free speech. If a culture that promotes the free exchange of ideas isn’t adequately fostered at “green light” rated ASU, is any school really safe?

Ms. Atkinson is executive director of the T.W. Lewis Center for Personal Development at ASU’s Barrett Honors College.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-paid...r-faculty-27c10a72?mod=hp_opin_pos_6#cxrecs_s

Americans need to fight back.

BECAUSE Arizona State takes federal money, violating the first amendment by them is a violation of the Constitution - they are an extension of the federal government. There are plenty of American lawyers - and suit must be filled against AS for civil rights violations. Every institution of Marxist Learning that accepts federal money in any way must be sued repeatedly for civil rights violations when they deny 1st Amendment and other rights.
 
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