How the left wingers are juicing the polls for OWEbama

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It is true that they don't weight their polls by party. They weight for other factors.

But what some of these outfits have been doing like Quinnipiac is loosen their criteria on their LV screen to the point that is almost an RV poll which ALWAYS overweights democrats.

In the most recent Quinnipiac poll the % of respondents that didn't make it through the LV screen was 6%. That is pathetic. It should e 20-30%.

Rasmussen and Gallup poll for a living. That is what they do. My guess is they will be closer to the truer outcome an I think Rasmussen is being conservative.

Most recent PPP poll for Colorado has OWEbama up 50%-46%. The problem is that the poll had a 40% democrat sample. Colorado has never had a partisan breakdown of 40% democrat. And if you think demo party ID has increased 10% from 2008 then you are smoking wacky tabaccy.
 
What's the difference? We'll know in a few days.

The polls didn't seem to bother conservatives a week or 2 ago.

That's just not true. You are interpreting conservatives posting the poll results as some indication conservatives religiously believe in the polls. Even when polls show the Republican leading, they still are not indicative of how the people will actually vote. They still skew in favor of the Democrat because of the methodology. It's just fascinating when they show the Republican leading, even though they skew left, and since we all know how much stock the left puts in polls, it's fun to post them and watch you fuckwits try to explain it.

Most polls are conducted by media outlets, who we now have seen, are completely in the tank for Obama. On Benghazi, the debates, the hurricane... they are all obviously committed to re-electing Obama, so why wouldn't they manipulate polling data to support Obama as well? There is indeed, one KEY aspect the polls don't factor in, and no one is really discussing much here... Voter Turnout! I think this will end up being the story of the day. On the Republican side, I see an energized base who has come together behind Romney, a little slowly at first, but now solidly committed and ready to vote. They feel their country is at stake, they are motivated to vote. On the other side, I am not seeing the same enthusiasm for Obama as we saw in 2008. Nowhere near the same level of energy and excitement. The hard cores, the ideologues and "Occupiers" are energized, but I don't think they are even as enthused as they were in 2008. There certainly doesn't seem to be "Our Country is at Stake" mentality there, so I just don't see them rocking the vote like they did in 2008.

Keep in mind, Obama only beat McCain by a few points, and the republican base was never real crazy about McCain. Regardless of the many reasons, Sarah Palin didn't help him any, but still... he only lost by a small margin. We were heading into an economic downturn, and McCain seemed to be following the wrong path with bailouts and such, while now... We are in the midst of that economic crisis, and Romney brings to the table, a vast understanding of business, with a VP who is a rock star on economic issues. The dynamics are entirely different, Hope and Change have failed to produce, people are looking for something else. But POLLS don't reflect this, they are manipulated based on voting trends from 2008, and it's simply not 2008 anymore.

I won't say the polls are WAY off, but I do believe they are off a bit, and it's enough that Romney will win the election, and the story of the day, as well as the pollsters 'excuse' for being wrong, will reside in voter turnout. Remember, this is actually the first presidential election for the Tea Party, who set records for the number of statehouse seats won in 2010. I think they are going to be a much bigger factor than the pollsters anticipate.
 
Hmm...In Ohio alone, theres something like 160k less early/absentee ballots for Obama than there was 4 years. On the flip side, there's about 100K more early/absentee ballots for Romney than there was for Mccain in 2008. Thats a swing of about 260K votes...right? Obama won Ohio by about 260K votes in 2008.

Just by early voting & absentee numbers, this looks like it will be a very tight election in Ohio, does it not? Now consider this, many more Republicans are older people, used to voting on Election day, where as many younger Obama supporters vote early. Added to the early/absentee numbers from above, to me this sounds like on Election night, the old school republicans will carry Romney over the top.

What's more,in a very very tight race, undecideds (there arent a whole lot at this point I am sure) usually break towards the challenger.

Lastly, its hard to win a state if you're an incumbent if you are less than 50%, as is with Ohio.

Then you have the polls skewed towards Obama & oversampling Dems.

Add this altogether, and I think you have Romney winning Ohio,closely,but I say by less than 100k votes.

And I still say he wins PA, or makes it very very close, maybe within 100k votes there too. If we get a PA upset early on Tue, and Romney carries it somehow, he wins.

In 2004, Kerry won PA by only 150k votes. (Kerry didnt threaten to wipeout the coal industry like Obama did, nor was he the President of a sharply divided nation,with a terrible economy...he wild card was not black which will certainly benefit Obama with black voters). All in all, PA will be very close, and if Romney wins either/or, Obama is toast.

I know that you libs will say "No way that Romney wins PA, its a solid blue state"...Anybody here that thinks OH or PA wont be decided by very small margins (100k votes),is saddly mistaken. I was on Obama's facebook page the other day, and saw two different dems posting about the Romney ads in PA. They were saying "I dont feel good about all of these Romney ads I am seeing" & "Romney signs are popping up all over", & "we need to go on defense out here,Romney is gaining momentum, send somebody" (these are actual quotes). Romney will be in the Philly suburbs on Sunday. If he draws another 30,000 person crowd,especially in the Philly area(strong Obama area), that will speak volumes. I cant wait to see how many people show up
 
That's just not true. You are interpreting conservatives posting the poll results as some indication conservatives religiously believe in the polls. Even when polls show the Republican leading, they still are not indicative of how the people will actually vote. They still skew in favor of the Democrat because of the methodology. It's just fascinating when they show the Republican leading, even though they skew left, and since we all know how much stock the left puts in polls, it's fun to post them and watch you fuckwits try to explain it.

Most polls are conducted by media outlets, who we now have seen, are completely in the tank for Obama. On Benghazi, the debates, the hurricane... they are all obviously committed to re-electing Obama, so why wouldn't they manipulate polling data to support Obama as well? There is indeed, one KEY aspect the polls don't factor in, and no one is really discussing much here... Voter Turnout! I think this will end up being the story of the day. On the Republican side, I see an energized base who has come together behind Romney, a little slowly at first, but now solidly committed and ready to vote. They feel their country is at stake, they are motivated to vote. On the other side, I am not seeing the same enthusiasm for Obama as we saw in 2008. Nowhere near the same level of energy and excitement. The hard cores, the ideologues and "Occupiers" are energized, but I don't think they are even as enthused as they were in 2008. There certainly doesn't seem to be "Our Country is at Stake" mentality there, so I just don't see them rocking the vote like they did in 2008.

Keep in mind, Obama only beat McCain by a few points, and the republican base was never real crazy about McCain. Regardless of the many reasons, Sarah Palin didn't help him any, but still... he only lost by a small margin. We were heading into an economic downturn, and McCain seemed to be following the wrong path with bailouts and such, while now... We are in the midst of that economic crisis, and Romney brings to the table, a vast understanding of business, with a VP who is a rock star on economic issues. The dynamics are entirely different, Hope and Change have failed to produce, people are looking for something else. But POLLS don't reflect this, they are manipulated based on voting trends from 2008, and it's simply not 2008 anymore.

I won't say the polls are WAY off, but I do believe they are off a bit, and it's enough that Romney will win the election, and the story of the day, as well as the pollsters 'excuse' for being wrong, will reside in voter turnout. Remember, this is actually the first presidential election for the Tea Party, who set records for the number of statehouse seats won in 2010. I think they are going to be a much bigger factor than the pollsters anticipate.

Thanks!

That was enjoyable.
 
Hmm...In Ohio alone, theres something like 160k less early/absentee ballots for Obama than there was 4 years. On the flip side, there's about 100K more early/absentee ballots for Romney than there was for Mccain in 2008. Thats a swing of about 260K votes...right? Obama won Ohio by about 260K votes in 2008.

Just by early voting & absentee numbers, this looks like it will be a very tight election in Ohio, does it not? Now consider this, many more Republicans are older people, used to voting on Election day, where as many younger Obama supporters vote early. Added to the early/absentee numbers from above, to me this sounds like on Election night, the old school republicans will carry Romney over the top.

What's more,in a very very tight race, undecideds (there arent a whole lot at this point I am sure) usually break towards the challenger.

Lastly, its hard to win a state if you're an incumbent if you are less than 50%, as is with Ohio.

Then you have the polls skewed towards Obama & oversampling Dems.

Add this altogether, and I think you have Romney winning Ohio,closely,but I say by less than 100k votes.

And I still say he wins PA, or makes it very very close, maybe within 100k votes there too. If we get a PA upset early on Tue, and Romney carries it somehow, he wins.

In 2004, Kerry won PA by only 150k votes. (Kerry didnt threaten to wipeout the coal industry like Obama did, nor was he the President of a sharply divided nation,with a terrible economy...he wild card was not black which will certainly benefit Obama with black voters). All in all, PA will be very close, and if Romney wins either/or, Obama is toast.

I know that you libs will say "No way that Romney wins PA, its a solid blue state"...Anybody here that thinks OH or PA wont be decided by very small margins (100k votes),is saddly mistaken. I was on Obama's facebook page the other day, and saw two different dems posting about the Romney ads in PA. They were saying "I dont feel good about all of these Romney ads I am seeing" & "Romney signs are popping up all over", & "we need to go on defense out here,Romney is gaining momentum, send somebody" (these are actual quotes). Romney will be in the Philly suburbs on Sunday. If he draws another 30,000 person crowd,especially in the Philly area(strong Obama area), that will speak volumes. I cant wait to see how many people show up

Every article I have read states that early voting in Ohio for Obama is up. I would need to see your data, thanks.
 
Every article I have read states that early voting in Ohio for Obama is up. I would need to see your data, thanks.

would you take the Huffington Posts word for it?...Hint: ignore the headline and read the text.....Obama is not doing as well as 2008 in the swing states....
A look at early voting in the tightest states:

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Colorado

About 1.6 million people have voted, and Republicans outnumber Democrats 37 percent to 35 percent. Those numbers are a reversal from four years ago at this time. Inevitably, Obama won the early vote by 9 percentage points in 2008, giving him a big enough cushion to win the state, despite narrowly losing the Election Day vote.

Early voting in Colorado is expected to account for about 80 percent of all votes cast, giving it more weight than in other states.

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Florida

About 3.9 million people have voted, and 43 percent were Democrats and 40 percent were Republicans. For years ago at this time, Democratic early voters had a 9 percentage point lead over Republicans.

Obama won Florida's early vote by 10 percentage points in 2008, getting 400,000 more early votes than McCain, enough to offset McCain's advantage on Election Day.

In Florida, Republicans have historically done better among people who vote by mail, while Democrats have done better among people who vote early in person. For 2012, Florida's Republican-led Legislature reduced the number of in-person early voting days from 14 to eight.

The Obama campaign responded by encouraging more supporters to vote by mail, and Democrats were able to narrow the gap among mail ballots. Democrats quickly took the lead among all early voters, once in-person early voting started. But the margins are slim.

The Obama campaign acknowledges it must do better among Florida's Election Day voters than Obama did on 2008, when McCain won the Election Day vote by 5 percentage points.

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Iowa

About 614,000 people have voted, already exceeding Iowa's total number of early votes in 2008. So far this year, 43 percent of early voters were Democrats and 32 percent were Republicans.

Four years ago, Obama won the early vote in Iowa by a whopping 27 percentage points, 63 percent to 36 percent. McCain, meanwhile, won the Election Day vote by about 1,800 votes – less than a percentage point. Together, they added up to a 10-point victory for Obama.

Romney's campaign argues that Democrats always do better among early voters in Iowa while Republicans do better among Election Day voters, even when President George W. Bush narrowly carried the state in 2004.

Obama's campaign counters that with early voting on the rise, Romney will be left with fewer Election Day voters to make up the difference.

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Nevada

About 628,000 people have voted, and 44 percent were Democrats and 37 percent were Republicans. Four years ago, Obama won Nevada's early vote big, 59 percent to 39 percent. Obama also won Nevada's Election Day vote on his way to a comfortable 13-point win over McCain.

The Romney campaign argues that Obama isn't doing nearly as well among early voters in Nevada as he did in 2008. The Obama campaign argues that it doesn't have to.

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North Carolina

About 2.5 million people have voted, and 48 percent of them were Democrats and 32 percent of them were Republicans. Four years ago at this time, Democrats had a slightly larger lead over Republicans, and Obama won the early vote by 11 percentage points.

Obama lost the Election Day Vote by 17 percentage points in 2008. But the early vote was much bigger than the Election Day vote, resulting in Obama's narrow win.

Obama's campaign cites the big lead for Democrats among early voters, while Romney's campaign argues that even a small shift toward the Republicans could flip the state to Romney.

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Ohio

More than 1.6 million people have voted, and 29 percent were Democrats and 23 percent were Republicans. Forty-seven percent were unaffiliated, more than enough voters to swing the state to either candidate.

Ohio may once again be pivotal in the race for the presidency. Unfortunately, Ohio's early voting data is limited. Party affiliation in Ohio is based on the last primary in which a voter participated, so new voters and those who don't vote in primaries are listed as unaffiliated.

In 2008, Obama won Ohio by 5 percentage points.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/2012-early-voting-_n_2068881.html
 
Thanks for getting my back POSTMODERNPROPHET those were some of the numbers I was talking about, that 23% of unafilliated voters in OH has to favor the challenger. Romney is taking the majority of independents and undecideds. Also heard that there were 350k evangelicals in OH that didn't vote in 2008, they are reenergized because of Ryan on the ticket, and because of Obama imposing his will and Obamacare onto Catholics. They could make a big difference, again, I hope to see a upset in PA, then OH will not matter. PA will be decided by less than 100k votes likely same for OH
 
This race is going to be crazy close - like 2000 or 2004; likely an all-nighter.

Every national poll today is tied or shows a 1 point difference. State polls in OH & PA are tightening.

Should be really interesting on Tuesday.
 
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