Herman Cain = Enron style debacle?

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I posted this on another thread, but thought it worthy of its own. Since Cain is getting so much good press (I have been a fan of his since he stood in for Neal Boortz), I thought this might be relevant to the discussion.

From: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012

"What GOP presidential contender Herman Cain lacks in political experience, he likes to say, he makes up for with decades' worth of success in corporate America. He climbed the corporate ladder at the Pillsbury Company, chaired the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, and rescued the failing Godfather's Pizza franchise. That business-centric message has won Cain his share of admirers: a focus group convened after a recent Fox News presidential debate overwhelmingly declared Cain the winner.

"I think that over 40 years of business experience is resonating a lot more with people than simply having political experience," he said on a recent Iowa visit. "Knowing how Washington works isn't necessarily an advantage. As a businessman going in, I don’t want to know how Washington works. I want to change Washington D.C. and so by not knowing how it is supposed to work I can ask tough questions that will help change the culture."

Cain clearly believes that his pro-business message is what GOP voters want to hear. So much so, in fact, that on Saturday he officially unveiled his candidacy for the 2012 GOP nomination. But scrubbed from Cain's official story is his long tenure as a director at a Midwest energy corporation named Aquila that, like the infamous Enron Corporation, recklessly dove into the wild west of energy trading and speculation—and ultimately screwed its employees out of tens of millions of dollars.

According to five lawsuits filed in federal court in 2004, Aquila's board of directors—which Cain joined in 1992—allegedly steered employees into heavily investing their retirement savings in company stock. At the same time, the company shifted its business model from straightforward energy generation to risky energy trading, an unregulated market made infamous by now-defunct Enron. The suits, later folded into a single, massive class action (PDF), alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. (Cain's presidential exploratory committee did not respond to a request for comment.)

Founded in 1917 as Green Light and Power, Aquila traditionally made its money operating electric and gas plants and selling the energy they produced. In the years after Cain joined the board, Aquila's earnings climbed, from $254 million in 1995 to $351 million in 1998. Then, in early 1999, the company's leadership decided running power plants wasn't lucrative enough; energy trading and speculation had grown popular, and as the class suit lays out, Aquila wanted a piece of the action.

It was a dangerous move—as a company spokesman later put it, "the risk was huge." In the end, it proved disastrous. Aquila's decision to join Enron, Reliant Energy, and the other heavy-hitters in the energy trading markets would ultimately wipe out 94 percent of Aquila's stock value between 1999 and 2004. The company also faced criticism for using some of the same trading tricks that Enron did as a way to puff up its stock price, the lawsuit says. That included using "roundtrip" trades, a scheme in which Aquila would sell a trading partner some energy and then that partner would sell the same amount back to Aquila, a deal that canceled itself out. In the end, nothing actually changed hands. But it boosted Aquila's trading volume and revenue, sending a positive signal to the markets. The company also engaged in megawatt laundering, or "ricochet" trading, the lawsuit alleges. In such transactions, Aquila and other companies would buy energy from California at a lower capped price, move that energy out of the state, then re-sell it back to California at a higher price for a tidy profit.

But this financial trickery couldn't save a listing ship. In 2002, Aquila teetered on the brink of collapse. And for Aquila's employees, the result of the company's foray into energy trading was devastating: The company's employee retirement fund, overseen by the board of directors, lost more than $200 million in 2002. The reason: At the same time Aquila's executives and directors were investing more and more in highly risky energy speculation, they were selling their employees on the conservative nature of Aquila and pushing them to invest their retirement savings in company stock.

For years, the lawsuit says, executives urged employees in company speeches to reinvest in Aquila, lauded those who did so as "Aquila partners," and even offered a 15 percent discount to buy company stock. Executives and board members also made it more difficult to sell off company stock by implementing lock-up periods, during which employees couldn't cash in their holdings. At the end of 2000, 85 percent of Aquila employees owned common stock in the company. What's more, 60 percent of the employees' retirement fund consisted of Aquila stock—even though financial experts say that total should never be more than 10 to 20 percent.

The spectacular failure of Aquila's trading venture practically wiped out the hard-earned retirement savings of veteran employees. Richard Itteilag, a plaintiff in the Aquila class action, lost 87 percent of his savings. Robert Goodson, a 20-year Aquila employee, lost 75 percent. Michael Reinhardt lost a staggering 94 percent. All told, thousands of employees saw their retirement funds eviscerated thanks to Aquila's Enron-esque activities. (In 2007, Aquila settled with the employees for $10.5 million. Not long after, Aquila merged with other Midwestern energy companies and now no longer operates as Aquila.)

Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock. As chair of the compensation committee, Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting. A month after the Kansas City Star reported on the hefty bonuses in July 2002, the company laid off 500 employees, and the losses to employees holding company stock had reached hundreds of millions of dollars.

As a board member, Cain would've had direct knowledge of Aquila's activities, says Fred Taylor Isquith, a New York attorney who litigated the employee class action. Asked if it was fair to place blame on Cain for the debacle at Aquila, Isquith replied, "Yes, I believe it is.""
 

Since it is a different issue concerning Herman Cain, I thought it warranted a separate thread.

You are welcome to take it up with Damo. If he thinks this thread should not be here I will be fine with his decision.
 
wow the teaparty tard couldn't get elected in the second most redneck state Ga (AlaBubba is first with rednecks).

Comedy yes, Enron shit cain isn't as important as a corner grocery
 
I had an option with my company to invest completely in a 401K with a tiered company match program based on years of service and performance criteria or investing 50% in a company plan which was heavily invested in company stock. I went with the former as the later was to risky of a retirement investment.
 
I had an option with my company to invest completely in a 401K with a tiered company match program based on years of service and performance criteria or investing 50% in a company plan which was heavily invested in company stock. I went with the former as the later was to risky of a retirement investment.

Investing your retirement in company stock puts all your eggs in one basket.
 
Convincing employees to have some skin in the game is good for the business. Its retarded from the employees standpoint though.
 
Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock. As chair of the compensation committee, Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting.

this is not good and will hurt cain. while he alone is not responsible, he definitely has some responsibility, as well as other execs and the employees. i don't know enough information about the lock down periods or what the board or execs told the employees about the company's fiscal standing. as SH, they have a good case if they can prove certain elements, as employees...not as good as the SH case.
 
I have always made it a rule never to invest solely in the company I work for. In fact I never invest in them directly at all. If I get stock in compensation that is different, but buying the company's stock as a retirement fund? No way. Companies tend to do that when they want to inflate their own stock, at that point I begin to watch for the board divesting...

This is a sign to find a new company to work for, I have rarely seen a healthy company that tries to force their employees into a retirement fund that has only the company's stock in it...
 
this is not good and will hurt cain. while he alone is not responsible, he definitely has some responsibility, as well as other execs and the employees. i don't know enough information about the lock down periods or what the board or execs told the employees about the company's fiscal standing. as SH, they have a good case if they can prove certain elements, as employees...not as good as the SH case.

You've got to be the most gullible idiot on the planet next to WinterBorn. You want to know who this hurts Cain with? The mindless idiots who weren't going to vote for Cain anyway, because they are too stupid. First of all, the source of this pile of bullshit, is MotherJones! Can we get any more LEFT WING that freaking MotherJones? Secondly, you can read the first few paragraphs and literally FEEL the left-wing hate dripping from this "journalist's" words. "like the infamous Enron Corporation, recklessly dove into the wild west of energy trading and speculation—and ultimately screwed its employees out of tens of millions of dollars." Who said this was "like" Enron? By what criteria does the author make the determination anything was "reckless?" Who determined the company "screwed its employees?" I had not heard about any of this, and it took me all day to get the time to do some research, and an interesting thing.... I can't seem to find a goddamn thing about this on all the freaking entire Internet! You would think, if something was "like Enron" it would be all over the place, I would find all kinds of resource material, but nothing. You would think, if employees were screwed out of millions, someone would have posted something about it, but nothing! It's certainly obvious that Herman Cain was never INDICTED for anything, which one might expect if Cain did something unethical or wrong. You would think, if his behavior was "reckless" regarding people's retirements, there might have been some legal penalty imposed on Cain, but if there was, I can't find any record of it.

So basically, what you have here, is a generic template-generated hit piece on Herman Cain, someone who appears to have a promising future as a viable GOP candidate. Now, ask yourself, you dimwit pinhead... why in the world would some left-wing "journalist" working for a left-wing website, produce a story which is unfavorable to Mr. Cain? Duh..I can't think of any reasons, can you??? And of course, we all KNOW he wouldn't mislead us, would he? Why would a fine upstanding credible journalist from MotherJones be less than forthright with the reader? Oh my... *gasp* it was "alleged" that corporate big wigs encouraged employees to buy stock in the company! Wye, I am sure, since this is "like Enron" they must have all known that the company was going under at the time! ....Ooops.... the company is still in business, operating as Black Water Energy now.... but, let's not let THAT get in the way of such a Pulitzer Prize winning piece of "journalism" from MotherJones finest!

Yurt... seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? I read what you post from a conservative perspective, and sometimes you seem like you completely understand conservatism and where we need to be heading.... but then you blow it by sucking up some left-wing koolaid like this, and showing yourself to be quite the 'useful idiot' for the left. Do you not comprehend what they are doing, what they've been doing for the past decade, and what they will continue to do as long as it works to sway dumbasses like you? There are very few legitimate FACTS in the story posted, and they are generously wrapped in assumptions and overly-biased speculations. You don't know ANY of the details, only a perception of the details the author wants you to accept as factual. Micheal Moore probably teaches classes on how to do this, are you totally in the dark about it, bud?

Since I can find no other source for these "five lawsuits" and the specifics of the cases, I don't know any of the details on Cain's involvement through Aquila, or anything else, but I don't need to, I know Cain. He did not do anything unethical or corrupt, and this is an attempt to smear his character. The above story is so full of holes it's not funny, and it takes great liberty with terms and phrases it has no business even using. It's a dishonest hackish attempt to discredit Cain, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. If you don't see this, or worse... WON'T see it... you are un-savable.
 
You've got to be the most gullible idiot on the planet next to WinterBorn. You want to know who this hurts Cain with? The mindless idiots who weren't going to vote for Cain anyway, because they are too stupid. First of all, the source of this pile of bullshit, is MotherJones! Can we get any more LEFT WING that freaking MotherJones? Secondly, you can read the first few paragraphs and literally FEEL the left-wing hate dripping from this "journalist's" words. "like the infamous Enron Corporation, recklessly dove into the wild west of energy trading and speculation—and ultimately screwed its employees out of tens of millions of dollars." Who said this was "like" Enron? By what criteria does the author make the determination anything was "reckless?" Who determined the company "screwed its employees?" I had not heard about any of this, and it took me all day to get the time to do some research, and an interesting thing.... I can't seem to find a goddamn thing about this on all the freaking entire Internet! You would think, if something was "like Enron" it would be all over the place, I would find all kinds of resource material, but nothing. You would think, if employees were screwed out of millions, someone would have posted something about it, but nothing! It's certainly obvious that Herman Cain was never INDICTED for anything, which one might expect if Cain did something unethical or wrong. You would think, if his behavior was "reckless" regarding people's retirements, there might have been some legal penalty imposed on Cain, but if there was, I can't find any record of it.

So basically, what you have here, is a generic template-generated hit piece on Herman Cain, someone who appears to have a promising future as a viable GOP candidate. Now, ask yourself, you dimwit pinhead... why in the world would some left-wing "journalist" working for a left-wing website, produce a story which is unfavorable to Mr. Cain? Duh..I can't think of any reasons, can you??? And of course, we all KNOW he wouldn't mislead us, would he? Why would a fine upstanding credible journalist from MotherJones be less than forthright with the reader? Oh my... *gasp* it was "alleged" that corporate big wigs encouraged employees to buy stock in the company! Wye, I am sure, since this is "like Enron" they must have all known that the company was going under at the time! ....Ooops.... the company is still in business, operating as Black Water Energy now.... but, let's not let THAT get in the way of such a Pulitzer Prize winning piece of "journalism" from MotherJones finest!

Yurt... seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? I read what you post from a conservative perspective, and sometimes you seem like you completely understand conservatism and where we need to be heading.... but then you blow it by sucking up some left-wing koolaid like this, and showing yourself to be quite the 'useful idiot' for the left. Do you not comprehend what they are doing, what they've been doing for the past decade, and what they will continue to do as long as it works to sway dumbasses like you? There are very few legitimate FACTS in the story posted, and they are generously wrapped in assumptions and overly-biased speculations. You don't know ANY of the details, only a perception of the details the author wants you to accept as factual. Micheal Moore probably teaches classes on how to do this, are you totally in the dark about it, bud?

Since I can find no other source for these "five lawsuits" and the specifics of the cases, I don't know any of the details on Cain's involvement through Aquila, or anything else, but I don't need to, I know Cain. He did not do anything unethical or corrupt, and this is an attempt to smear his character. The above story is so full of holes it's not funny, and it takes great liberty with terms and phrases it has no business even using. It's a dishonest hackish attempt to discredit Cain, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. If you don't see this, or worse... WON'T see it... you are un-savable.

so because you don't believe the source....i'm gullible....:rolleyes:

if you want to not believe based solely on the source, go for it....the information is public....if it is ever proven false...i'll create a special thread that says dixie was right....if not, will you do the same? this should be easy to prove false. i did some searching and it appears the case was settled for 10 million dollars.....but that must be false right....:rolleyes:
 
so because you don't believe the source....i'm gullible....:rolleyes:

if you want to not believe based solely on the source, go for it....the information is public....if it is ever proven false...i'll create a special thread that says dixie was right....if not, will you do the same? this should be easy to prove false. i did some searching and it appears the case was settled for 10 million dollars.....but that must be false right....:rolleyes:

No, because you DO believe the source, which is a known left-wing biased source, you are gullible. :rolleyes:

Like I said, I spent about an hour trying to find more information on this, and found NOTHING! The burden of proof doesn't fall on the defendant in America, it is your job to prove guilt. What the hell do you mean "the case was settled?" The story posted says their were FIVE cases, were they ALL settled for $10 million? I want to know the details of each case, I want to read testimony, I want to see some of the evidence against Herman Cain! I would think that ANY rational or reasonable person, would demand the same, before condemning the man for wrongdoing, as you seem to have done already, on the basis of a left-wing hit piece. What this all amounts to is this, you are conservative, but the left-wing koolaid just tastes too damn good, and you can't pass it up! With every gulp, your head gets a little pointier!
 
You've got to be the most gullible idiot on the planet next to WinterBorn. You want to know who this hurts Cain with? The mindless idiots who weren't going to vote for Cain anyway, because they are too stupid. First of all, the source of this pile of bullshit, is MotherJones! Can we get any more LEFT WING that freaking MotherJones? Secondly, you can read the first few paragraphs and literally FEEL the left-wing hate dripping from this "journalist's" words. "like the infamous Enron Corporation, recklessly dove into the wild west of energy trading and speculation—and ultimately screwed its employees out of tens of millions of dollars." Who said this was "like" Enron? By what criteria does the author make the determination anything was "reckless?" Who determined the company "screwed its employees?" I had not heard about any of this, and it took me all day to get the time to do some research, and an interesting thing.... I can't seem to find a goddamn thing about this on all the freaking entire Internet! You would think, if something was "like Enron" it would be all over the place, I would find all kinds of resource material, but nothing. You would think, if employees were screwed out of millions, someone would have posted something about it, but nothing! It's certainly obvious that Herman Cain was never INDICTED for anything, which one might expect if Cain did something unethical or wrong. You would think, if his behavior was "reckless" regarding people's retirements, there might have been some legal penalty imposed on Cain, but if there was, I can't find any record of it.

So basically, what you have here, is a generic template-generated hit piece on Herman Cain, someone who appears to have a promising future as a viable GOP candidate. Now, ask yourself, you dimwit pinhead... why in the world would some left-wing "journalist" working for a left-wing website, produce a story which is unfavorable to Mr. Cain? Duh..I can't think of any reasons, can you??? And of course, we all KNOW he wouldn't mislead us, would he? Why would a fine upstanding credible journalist from MotherJones be less than forthright with the reader? Oh my... *gasp* it was "alleged" that corporate big wigs encouraged employees to buy stock in the company! Wye, I am sure, since this is "like Enron" they must have all known that the company was going under at the time! ....Ooops.... the company is still in business, operating as Black Water Energy now.... but, let's not let THAT get in the way of such a Pulitzer Prize winning piece of "journalism" from MotherJones finest!

Yurt... seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? I read what you post from a conservative perspective, and sometimes you seem like you completely understand conservatism and where we need to be heading.... but then you blow it by sucking up some left-wing koolaid like this, and showing yourself to be quite the 'useful idiot' for the left. Do you not comprehend what they are doing, what they've been doing for the past decade, and what they will continue to do as long as it works to sway dumbasses like you? There are very few legitimate FACTS in the story posted, and they are generously wrapped in assumptions and overly-biased speculations. You don't know ANY of the details, only a perception of the details the author wants you to accept as factual. Micheal Moore probably teaches classes on how to do this, are you totally in the dark about it, bud?

Since I can find no other source for these "five lawsuits" and the specifics of the cases, I don't know any of the details on Cain's involvement through Aquila, or anything else, but I don't need to, I know Cain. He did not do anything unethical or corrupt, and this is an attempt to smear his character. The above story is so full of holes it's not funny, and it takes great liberty with terms and phrases it has no business even using. It's a dishonest hackish attempt to discredit Cain, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. If you don't see this, or worse... WON'T see it... you are un-savable.



There you have it folks...facts mean diddly squat to Dixie...evidence and statements made under oath don't matter either.

The only facts are what DIXIE thinks they should be...
 
No, because you DO believe the source, which is a known left-wing biased source, you are gullible. :rolleyes:

Like I said, I spent about an hour trying to find more information on this, and found NOTHING! The burden of proof doesn't fall on the defendant in America, it is your job to prove guilt. What the hell do you mean "the case was settled?" The story posted says their were FIVE cases, were they ALL settled for $10 million? I want to know the details of each case, I want to read testimony, I want to see some of the evidence against Herman Cain! I would think that ANY rational or reasonable person, would demand the same, before condemning the man for wrongdoing, as you seem to have done already, on the basis of a left-wing hit piece. What this all amounts to is this, you are conservative, but the left-wing koolaid just tastes too damn good, and you can't pass it up! With every gulp, your head gets a little pointier!

right...attack the messenger

i remember when obama did not come out and say "X" wasn't true, that you said this was proof or evidence of its validity....well....herman cain hasn't come out and denounced this ""rumor""

like i said....if you can prove this is false information, i will say i am wrong. until then, it is merely YOUR OPINION based solely on the source of the information, hence your claims of gullible are laughable...and really, you didn't look hard enough....five seconds and i found this:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/board.asp?privcapId=311595

he is still on the board of directors

from 2007:

Aquila settles class-action suit for $10.5M
Kansas City Business Journal
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 4:54pm CDT - Last Modified: Wednesday, July 25, 2007, 4:58pm CDT

Aquila Inc. has agreed to settle for $10.5 million a class-action lawsuit that alleged the company should have recommended dumping its stock from employees' retirement funds during Aquila's risky boom years.

"It's just more efficient for the shareholders for us to settle than to go through a protracted legal case," Aquila spokesman Al Butkus said Wednesday.

Aquila admitted no wrongdoing as part of the settlement, Butkus said. The company will record the $10.5 million charge in its second or third quarter, he said.

The proposed settlement was filed Monday with the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Missouri.

The suit was filed in late September 2004 in the U.S. District Court in Kansas City. A former employee sued the Kansas City-based company (NYSE: ILA) and its board of directors for promoting the company's stock as a "conservative" investment for participants in the company's retirement plan.

The class included more than 7,000 current and former employees who put Aquila stock into the company's retirement plan from 1999 to May 5, 2004.

A hearing on the settlement' s final approval has been scheduled on Nov. 13 before U.S. District Judge Dean Whipple.

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2007/07/23/daily32.html

are you going to denounce that as a left wing source?
 
There you have it folks...facts mean diddly squat to Dixie...evidence and statements made under oath don't matter either.

The only facts are what DIXIE thinks they should be...

do you have a link to the evidence and statements made under oath? you're ASSuming things at this point. typical for you though, because if this was a dem, you would be just like dixie demanding non-biased proof and calling bullshit until it was provided.
 
Yurtsie's standards of evidence seem somewhat elastic, don't they?
 
right...attack the messenger

i remember when obama did not come out and say "X" wasn't true, that you said this was proof or evidence of its validity....well....herman cain hasn't come out and denounced this ""rumor""

like i said....if you can prove this is false information, i will say i am wrong. until then, it is merely YOUR OPINION based solely on the source of the information, hence your claims of gullible are laughable...and really, you didn't look hard enough....five seconds and i found this:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/board.asp?privcapId=311595

he is still on the board of directors

from 2007:



http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2007/07/23/daily32.html

are you going to denounce that as a left wing source?

First of all, I have NEVER condemned Obama for anything he didn't come out and say wasn't true. I don't even know what you are talking about, the birth certificate? Please! And yes, you did post links to actual stories... that is true! It's interesting: Aquila admitted no wrongdoing as part of the settlement, Butkus said. Did your pinhead overlook this, or what? People settle cases out of court all the time, and it's NEVER an admission of GUILT!

Here's what happened, as best I can tell. Following ENRON, people began to really scrutinize other energy companies and their practices regarding investments. Because of ENRON, the entire energy sector suffered in the market, stock prices plunged solely on the news of ENRON. Here we have Aquila, an energy company which had gone from relative obscurity, to a Fortune 300 company, in just a few short years. But with the market collapse caused by the ENRON scare, their stocks dropped dramatically, prompting investors to fear an ENRON type situation even more... hence, the lawsuit. Under the intense scrutiny of the Justice Dept. following ENRON, I find it very difficult to believe they would have ignored similar wrongdoing on the part of Aquila, or any other energy company. Do you honestly think people let Aquila off the hook after sending ENRON execs to prison? Does that even make rational sense to a pinhead like you?

Now, here's the REAL kicker... it's not "LIKE ENRON" at all! Let's count all the ways it's NOT LIKE ENRON.... Aquila remained in business, restructured its debts, and eventually sold its assets to Black Water Energy. No Aquila executive was ever convicted or indicted of doing anything wrong. The Justice Department never got involved with Aquila, and the Senate never held hearings. This is "like Enron" the same way Obama is "like Lincoln!"

Oh, but Dixie... they SPECULATED on energy with other people's money! ...Newsflash: 1. They are an ENERGY COMPANY! 2. Speculation is how ANYONE makes money in the market. We've somehow gone off the crazy track with liberal running the train, to the point of abject stupidity... we've demonized "speculation" as if it's some god-awful terrible and unethical thing to do.... well, it's simply how the stock market works! People speculate that a low-priced stock is going to rise in value, and they take a risk purchasing it, in hopes they have speculated correctly.
 
First of all, I have NEVER condemned Obama for anything he didn't come out and say wasn't true. I don't even know what you are talking about, the birth certificate? Please! And yes, you did post links to actual stories... that is true! It's interesting: Aquila admitted no wrongdoing as part of the settlement, Butkus said. Did your pinhead overlook this, or what? People settle cases out of court all the time, and it's NEVER an admission of GUILT!

Here's what happened, as best I can tell. Following ENRON, people began to really scrutinize other energy companies and their practices regarding investments. Because of ENRON, the entire energy sector suffered in the market, stock prices plunged solely on the news of ENRON. Here we have Aquila, an energy company which had gone from relative obscurity, to a Fortune 300 company, in just a few short years. But with the market collapse caused by the ENRON scare, their stocks dropped dramatically, prompting investors to fear an ENRON type situation even more... hence, the lawsuit. Under the intense scrutiny of the Justice Dept. following ENRON, I find it very difficult to believe they would have ignored similar wrongdoing on the part of Aquila, or any other energy company. Do you honestly think people let Aquila off the hook after sending ENRON execs to prison? Does that even make rational sense to a pinhead like you?

Now, here's the REAL kicker... it's not "LIKE ENRON" at all! Let's count all the ways it's NOT LIKE ENRON.... Aquila remained in business, restructured its debts, and eventually sold its assets to Black Water Energy. No Aquila executive was ever convicted or indicted of doing anything wrong. The Justice Department never got involved with Aquila, and the Senate never held hearings. This is "like Enron" the same way Obama is "like Lincoln!"

Oh, but Dixie... they SPECULATED on energy with other people's money! ...Newsflash: 1. They are an ENERGY COMPANY! 2. Speculation is how ANYONE makes money in the market. We've somehow gone off the crazy track with liberal running the train, to the point of abject stupidity... we've demonized "speculation" as if it's some god-awful terrible and unethical thing to do.... well, it's simply how the stock market works! People speculate that a low-priced stock is going to rise in value, and they take a risk purchasing it, in hopes they have speculated correctly.

dixie....i know it is not an admission of guilt...nonetheless....in the POLITICAL arena this does not look good for herman....i've also said, that i do not have all the facts and it depends on what exactly herman knew...you asked that before and i showed you he was the chair of that board....

you can wax poetic all day long about how he might be innocent....but you and i both know in the political arena this will not be good for herman. even before i knew they settled, i said they had a good case....and it was good enough to get a 10 million dollar settlement. you would be right in saying that no guilt was proven or admitted, yet they got a 10 million dollar settlement. you can't get around that.
 
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