Here we go, ONE single day after the bill, new money demaded - this time for the IRS

[KingCondanomation]

"In order to carry out its new monitoring and enforcement duties, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the IRS will need $10 billion in additional funds, funds which were not made available under the health reform bill.

An analysis done by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that this $10 billion could go to fund an additional 16,500 new IRS agents and other personnel to monitor and enforce the new mandates.

“[T]he IRS could add more than 16,500 additional agents, auditors, examiners, and administrative support personnel to enforce large portions of the nation’s health insurance system,” the report said."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/63181

 

[Topspin]

sweet, to hire more accountants. woot

 

[Bonestorm]

"In order to carry out its new monitoring and enforcement duties, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the IRS will need $10 billion in additional funds, funds which were not made available under the health reform bill.

An analysis done by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that this $10 billion could go to fund an additional 16,500 new IRS agents and other personnel to monitor and enforce the new mandates.

“[T]he IRS could add more than 16,500 additional agents, auditors, examiners, and administrative support personnel to enforce large portions of the nation’s health insurance system,” the report said."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/63181

The House Republican report on which this claim is entirely based is from March 18, 2010, prior to the passage of the bill. And their claim of 16,500 new agents is unsubstantiated horseshit.

 

[KingCondanomation]

sweet, to hire more accountants. woot

You are just here to try and piss off people who give a shit about anything.

In all serioussnes, why be here? At least uscitizen attempted to be funny with his one-liners.

 

[KingCondanomation]

The House Republican report on which this claim is entirely based is from March 18, 2010, prior to the passage of the bill. And their claim of 16,500 new agents is unsubstantiated horseshit.

Then what are they going to spend the extra $10 billion on genius? They aren't going to need to hire people to oversee extra healthcare collections and chase down those who refuse to pay and get fined?


It's the fucking Dem run CBO that is saying the $10 billion is needed, why should we trust you any longer on any numbers when you are shown to underestimate what it was supposed to cost just ONE single fucking day after this bullshit reform passed?

 

[Damocles]

Then what are they going to spend the extra $10 billion on genius? They aren't going to need to hire people to oversee extra healthcare collections and chase down those who refuse to pay and get fined?


It's the fucking Dem run CBO that is saying the $10 billion is needed, why should we trust you any longer on any numbers when you are shown to underestimate what it was supposed to cost just ONE single fucking day after this bullshit reform passed?

The CBO isn't so off on numbers because it is Dem Run, it is off on its numbers because they have to accept the assumptions of those who wrote the bill. They can't, for instance, reject their assumptions if they use accounting gimmicks like double listing "savings", therefore every bill is always suspect regardless of who owns a majority in the Congress.

 

[Topspin]

You are just here to try and piss off people who give a shit about anything.

In all serioussnes, why be here? At least uscitizen attempted to be funny with his one-liners.

I'm here to piss of white trash teabaggers like you

 

[KingCondanomation]

I'm here to piss of white trash teabaggers like you

Sure you piss me off, like a fly buzzing around for a few seconds.
That's your legacy.

 

[Topspin]

Sure you piss me off, like a fly buzzing around for a few seconds.
That's your legacy.

why would I worry about impressing a poor republican? lol

 

[Bonestorm]

Then what are they going to spend the extra $10 billion on genius? They aren't going to need to hire people to oversee extra healthcare collections and chase down those who refuse to pay and get fined?

It's the fucking Dem run CBO that is saying the $10 billion is needed, why should we trust you any longer on any numbers when you are shown to underestimate what it was supposed to cost just ONE single fucking day after this bullshit reform passed?

Slow down, hombre. First, the CBO isn't "Dem run." Second, the CBO estimated $5-10 billion in additional costs for the IRS over ten years. Third, the CBO report was published before the reform bill passed. Fourth, the Republican-authored report is total horseshit, which they are fully aware of, hence their use of classic weasel words "could go to fund an additional 16,500 new IRS agents."

In summation, your post is garbage.

 

[Canceled2]

The CBO isn't so off on numbers because it is Dem Run, it is off on its numbers because they have to accept the assumptions of those who wrote the bill. They can't, for instance, reject their assumptions if they use accounting gimmicks like double listing "savings", therefore every bill is always suspect regardless of who owns a majority in the Congress.

Medicare physician reimbursement was not part of the assumption...why not? What kind of corrupt arm twisting was done to members of the CBO?

 

[Bonestorm]

Medicare physician reimbursement was not part of the assumption...why not? What kind of corrupt arm twisting was done to members of the CBO?

None.

 

[Damocles]

Medicare physician reimbursement was not part of the assumption...why not? What kind of corrupt arm twisting was done to members of the CBO?

Actually, it is because the bill said that those things would be cut off, and the CBO 'MUST' use their numbers and assume they are correct. So, while anybody with a nugget of a brain knows that they should be included, the CBO cannot include them, not because they are partisan, but because it was part of their mandate when they were created.

Basically the CBO was created in such away so that lawmakers of either party can "fake" numbers and they simply have to report on what they "assumed"...

It just gets tired hearing any majority constantly pushing these numbers, because they are based on the "garbage in, garbage out" principle and they cannot actually change any assumptions whether they know them to be false or not.

 

[KingCondanomation]

Slow down, hombre. First, the CBO isn't "Dem run." Second, the CBO estimated $5-10 billion in additional costs for the IRS over ten years. Third, the CBO report was published before the reform bill passed. Fourth, the Republican-authored report is total horseshit, which they are fully aware of, hence their use of classic weasel words "could go to fund an additional 16,500 new IRS agents."
In summation, your post is garbage.

Where do you see when the report came out? It was reported on today.
That "could be to fund" is obviously there because they are giving a rough estimate, obviously SOME more agents are going to be needed for the extra paperwork idiot.

The CBO is Dem run, Douglas Elmendorf was selected by Pelosi and Byrd, and gee willickers he even started right about when Obama got in.
Nearly EVERY person chosen to head something in government is hand picked for ideological reasons by those in power, there are VERY few exceptions like Greenspan or Bernanke (because of their power and visibility). Most positions, most could not give a fuck who is in there so there is little reason for either party (that is in power) to NOT appoint someone that they want who is ideologically like them.

 

[Bonestorm]

Where do you see when the report came out? It was reported on today.
That "could be to fund" is obviously there because they are giving a rough estimate, obviously SOME more agents are going to be needed for the extra paperwork idiot.

The CBO report came out before the bill was passed. It's right on the CBO website. The House Republican report on which the article is based is dated March 18, 2010. These are the facts.

The "could be to fund" is Grade-A hackery, poorly disguised.

The CBO is Dem run, Douglas Elmendorf was selected by Pelosi and Byrd, and gee willickers he even started right about when Obama got in.
Nearly EVERY person chosen to head something in government is hand picked for ideological reasons by those in power, there are VERY few exceptions like Greenspan or Bernanke (because of their power and visibility). Most positions, most could not give a fuck who is in there so there is little reason for either party (that is in power) to NOT appoint someone that they want who is ideologically like them.

The CBO is non-partisan. Deal with it.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Medicare physician reimbursement was not part of the assumption...why not? What kind of corrupt arm twisting was done to members of the CBO?

None. The CBO is required to score the bill as presented. They know it is horseshit that the Dems pulled the 'doc fix' out of health care. They know that WITH the doc fix, the health care bill would have shown an increase to the deficit. They know this.... they just can't do anything about it. Nor can they do anything about the double counting the Dems are using in order to lie to the American public about the fiscal irresponsibility of this bill.

that is why their lemming apologists like Dung are so happy. They can simply point to the CBO 'score' and shout over and over again... SEE 'this reduces the deficit'. Everyone knows its horseshit.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You are just here to try and piss off people who give a shit about anything.

In all serioussnes, why be here? At least uscitizen attempted to be funny with his one-liners.

Dano you're one of the biggest partisan hacks to ever post on this site. Who in their right mind takes you serious? You've never been right on a subject that first time, You've never posted an original thought. All you do is copy and past right wing talking points and you never either critically think through your points or demonstrate even the remotest ability to be objective.

When you and Dixie post sane people roll their eyes!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The House Republican report on which this claim is entirely based is from March 18, 2010, prior to the passage of the bill. And their claim of 16,500 new agents is unsubstantiated horseshit.

See Dano? It took Nigel all of one sentence to pwn you. Get a clue.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

why would I worry about impressing a poor republican? lol

Could you clarify something here Topper? Is Dano a "Poor Republican" because he is economically challenged or because he is so patthetic that you feel pity for him?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Actually, it is because the bill said that those things would be cut off, and the CBO 'MUST' use their numbers and assume they are correct. So, while anybody with a nugget of a brain knows that they should be included, the CBO cannot include them, not because they are partisan, but because it was part of their mandate when they were created.

Basically the CBO was created in such away so that lawmakers of either party can "fake" numbers and they simply have to report on what they "assumed"...

It just gets tired hearing any majority constantly pushing these numbers, because they are based on the "garbage in, garbage out" principle and they cannot actually change any assumptions whether they know them to be false or not.

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