Here are 6 reasons why Trump’s wall is dumber than most of his other ideas

Bill

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Here are 6 reasons why Trump’s wall is an even dumber idea than most of his others.

1. The U.S.-Mexican border is already well defended, and a wall won’t improve the defenses. The United States now spends $3.7 billion per year to keep some 21,000 Border Patrol agents on guard and another $3.2 billion on 23,000 inspectors at ports of entry along the border, a third of which is already walled or fenced off.

2. The cost of Trump’s fence would be a whopping $25 billion on top of this. That’s the best estimate I’ve seen by a Washington Post fact checker. (When Trump discussed the cost last February he put it at $8 billion, then a few weeks later upped the cost to $10 to 12 billion. )

3. There’s no way Mexico will pay for it. On January 11, Mexican President Enrique Peña assured Mexicans they would not be footing the bill. “It is evident that we have some differences with the new government of the United States,” he said, “like the topic of the wall, that Mexico of course will not pay.”

4. There’s no reason for the wall anyway because undocumented migration from Mexico has sharply declined. The Department of Homeland Security’s estimates that the total undocumented population peaked at 12 million in 2008, and has fallen since then. According to the Pew Research Center, the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s. The number of apprehensions at the border is at its lowest since 1973.

5. The decline isn’t because of rising border enforcement but because of Mexico is producing fewer young people and therefore less demographic pressure to migrate to the U.S. In 1965, Mexico’s fertility rate was 7.2 children per woman; by 2000 it had fallen to 2.4; today, it’s at 2.3 children per woman, just above replacement level.

6. There’s little or no evidence undocumented immigrants take jobs away from native-born Americans, anyway. A new analysis of Census data finds that immigrants take very different jobs than Americans. In fact, the United States already allows a significant amount of legal immigration from Mexico under the “guest-worker” program –1.6 million entries by legal immigrants and 3.9 million by temporary workers from Mexico over the last 10 years – because farmers can’t find enough native-born Americans to pick crops.

Of course, Trump lives in a fact-free universe designed merely to enhance his power and fuel his demagoguery. But you don’t have to, and nor does anyone else.


Robert Reich
 

Here are 6 reasons why Trump’s wall is an even dumber idea than most of his others.

1. The U.S.-Mexican border is already well defended, and a wall won’t improve the defenses. The United States now spends $3.7 billion per year to keep some 21,000 Border Patrol agents on guard and another $3.2 billion on 23,000 inspectors at ports of entry along the border, a third of which is already walled or fenced off.

2. The cost of Trump’s fence would be a whopping $25 billion on top of this. That’s the best estimate I’ve seen by a Washington Post fact checker. (When Trump discussed the cost last February he put it at $8 billion, then a few weeks later upped the cost to $10 to 12 billion. )

3. There’s no way Mexico will pay for it. On January 11, Mexican President Enrique Peña assured Mexicans they would not be footing the bill. “It is evident that we have some differences with the new government of the United States,” he said, “like the topic of the wall, that Mexico of course will not pay.”

4. There’s no reason for the wall anyway because undocumented migration from Mexico has sharply declined. The Department of Homeland Security’s estimates that the total undocumented population peaked at 12 million in 2008, and has fallen since then. According to the Pew Research Center, the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s. The number of apprehensions at the border is at its lowest since 1973.

5. The decline isn’t because of rising border enforcement but because of Mexico is producing fewer young people and therefore less demographic pressure to migrate to the U.S. In 1965, Mexico’s fertility rate was 7.2 children per woman; by 2000 it had fallen to 2.4; today, it’s at 2.3 children per woman, just above replacement level.

6. There’s little or no evidence undocumented immigrants take jobs away from native-born Americans, anyway. A new analysis of Census data finds that immigrants take very different jobs than Americans. In fact, the United States already allows a significant amount of legal immigration from Mexico under the “guest-worker” program –1.6 million entries by legal immigrants and 3.9 million by temporary workers from Mexico over the last 10 years – because farmers can’t find enough native-born Americans to pick crops.

Of course, Trump lives in a fact-free universe designed merely to enhance his power and fuel his demagoguery. But you don’t have to, and nor does anyone else.


Robert Reich
Raw Story, come on Bill!! It's bad enough Zippy using it all the time but you're better than that!

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You can go to Robert's site or fB page & read it from there.... Link is for convenience, you can source it from wherever you like, & then pls comment on his points, thnX...
 
Well I have said enough times already that a toll of $5 would yield 5 million per day or nearly 2 billion per year. That would certainly help the Mexicans pay for it.

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Toll on who?? Everyone crossing or just Mexican citizens??

The figure I have is one million cross the border per day, I don't know how that breaks down into nationality. I would imagine that most US tourists fly into Cancun or Acupulco for their vacations. I did hear that a lot of Americans cross to get cheaper petrol but the quality is inferior so that helps to create pollution. A toll would stop that happening to some extent.

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A toll would also hurt many poor Mexicans having to come to work each day....

Mexico's prez has vowed to retaliate~tit for tat....

My guess is the trumpf fence will end up costing Americans, not Mexicans & he will take full cred no matter what.....
 
it's part of border control. There was that convicted felon ( times in the US) who shot and killed kate steinle on a S.Fran pier.
He was deported numerous times as a convicted felon -SF is a sanctuary city and wouldn't turn him over to ICE.

He shot and killed her while she was walking with her father..so to sum up..he got in 5 times after convictions and because SFran is a sanctuary city they wouldn't turn him over to ICE after he finished his last sentence.

can you see how outrageous this is all around? It's beyond sickening, and it would all be preventable with decent border control.

The wall that extends out from San Diego is very effective. Walls are used all over the world for border controls.
Too bad it has to come down to this , but what we are doing isn't working
 
The sky is falling....the sky is falling: Chicken Little. More sour grapes. As least he has won the chance to build a wall.

That's kind'a iconic. The last great GOP president, Reagan...tore down a wall...now, this great GOP leader will construct a wall. Full Circle. I think I feel it.....I really do....that tingling thing going down my leg....move over Chris Matthews. LAMO.

I enjoy the grinding and gnashing of teeth....but the most precious is the hissssssssssssssssssssssssing sound whenever the left even thinks of Trump and how he kicked their ass...of course with the help of Russia...Thanks Russia, you could not have accomplished it if Barry Soetoro had not given you free reign around the world over the past 8 years....he was to busy looking at himself in the mirror, especially the full length mirror in the hall way, some say he would stand there for hours each day and just could bring himself to move. :good4u:
 
if the sanctuary cities would give it up/and Congress ever got serious about tackling immigration reform
maybe there wouldn't even be a need for a wall
 
if the sanctuary cities would give it up/and Congress ever got serious about tackling immigration reform
maybe there wouldn't even be a need for a wall

Those cities have no intentions of doing so.....

Jail the employer, prob solved..
 
A toll would also hurt many poor Mexicans having to come to work each day....

Mexico's prez has vowed to retaliate~tit for tat....

Yeah, because Americans are eager to cross into Nuevo Laredo to get kidnapped and beheaded.
 
The wall is a great idea and is why he was elected. Now that said there is really no need to build a wall, all Trump has to do to build a virtual wall and have it completed on his inauguration day is to enforce immigration laws that make everyone who entered illegally a criminal, which they already are. Employers who hire illegals get a 10,000 dollar fine for every instance. So long Peedro
 
Those cities have no intentions of doing so.....

Jail the employer, prob solved..
how does "jailing an employer" solve illegal criminal aliens from crossing the border?
Enjoy the wall if the sanct. cities persist.
 
A toll would also hurt many poor Mexicans having to come to work each day....

Mexico's prez has vowed to retaliate~tit for tat....

My guess is the trumpf fence will end up costing Americans, not Mexicans & he will take full cred no matter what.....
Congress has had the authority to build it for over 20 years, they just don't want to finance it. The legal head aches alone would cost a lot of money and time.
 
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