Health Care Is Not A Right!

[philly rabbit]

This is one topic that I completely agree with Ron Paul on while disagreeing with the president, that being the ever growing, tax draining monster called health care. The republicans didn't replace Obama care with a better plan because there is no better plan. Both parties have this belief in their heads that health care is the responsibility of the federal government because health care is a right.

It is not, and under the constitution, it was never meant to be. The monster in the room will continue to grow and it's hunger for tax dollars will never cease because health care is supposed to be a right of the people.

The president should spend his term in office finding ways to slow down the growth of the monster and save billions of dollars doing it such as making cuts to both medicare and Medicaid whenever possible.

 

[Darth Omar]

It depends how you define 'healthcare' lol.

If you're in a car wreck and come to the ER with an open femur fracture, you have every right to 'healthcare' regardless of your ability to pay.

A total joint replacement for your arthritic hip? Not so much.

 

[evince]

a car crashes and burns up.

Before it burns up a by stander manages to pull a small girl from then car.


she is bleeding and will bleed out without care.



does this society owe her care or should she bleed out in the street?


there is only one answer if you are not an evil fucking piece of shit

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It depends how you define 'healthcare' lol.

If you're in a car wreck and come to the ER with an open femur fracture, you have every right to 'healthcare' regardless of your ability to pay.

A total joint replacement for your arthritic hip? Not so much.

um, no.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

a car crashes and burns up.

Before it burns up a by stander manages to pull a small girl from then car.

she is bleeding and will bleed out without care.

does this society owe her care or should she bleed out in the street?

there is only one answer if you are not an evil fucking piece of shit

do you know how to stop bleeding? do you know first aid? trauma care?

 

[Darth Omar]

um, no.

Ok lol, let's put it this way.

In a civil society, they won't allow you to bleed out or die of sepsis in the ER.

 

[evince]

there is no country on the face of this earth that would grow great by letting people just die for lack of care,


how stupid is this idea?



WAY

 

[Darth Omar]

do you know how to stop bleeding? do you know first aid? trauma care?

Dude, you can't fix an open femur fracture going by the Boy Scout manual lol.

If you advocate denying acute trauma care to people in the ER, just know they do that kind of thing in barbaric countries.

 

[evince]

its out right EVIL

anyone who thinks it a good idea is a sociopath

 

[blackascoal]

This is one topic that I completely agree with Ron Paul on while disagreeing with the president, that being the ever growing, tax draining monster called health care. The republicans didn't replace Obama care with a better plan because there is no better plan. Both parties have this belief in their heads that health care is the responsibility of the federal government because health care is a right.

It is not, and under the constitution, it was never meant to be. The monster in the room will continue to grow and it's hunger for tax dollars will never cease because health care is supposed to be a right of the people.

The president should spend his term in office finding ways to slow down the growth of the monster and save billions of dollars doing it such as making cuts to both medicare and Medicaid whenever possible.

Civil rights and humanity weren't 'rights' until the American people demanded them.

Today, the American people have demanded universal health care, and by their demand, universal health care has essentially become a right.

AND, yes indeed there is a better plan .. it's called Single Payer / Medicare for All.

 

[evince]

yeap the founders knew more voices meant sociopaths cant rule

 

[evince]

um, no.

fuck you asshole

you are a sociopath

 

[blackascoal]

yeap the founders knew more voices meant sociopaths cant rule

They were also wise enough to know that they could not even conceive of what future societies would look like, or what the needs would be. That's why they created a living document, knowing it would need to be changed often in the future.

Jefferson though the Constitution should be rewritten every 19 years.

Healthcare not being a 'right' isn't really a serious argument.

 

[cawacko]

yeap the founders knew more voices meant sociopaths cant rule

what does that even mean? the founders were racist white men, were they not sociopaths themselves?

 

[evince]

it means democracy


the consent of the governed

 

[evince]

They were also wise enough to know that they could not even conceive of what future societies would look like, or what the needs would be. That's why they created a living document, knowing it would need to be changed often in the future.

Jefferson though the Constitution should be rewritten every 19 years.

Healthcare not being a 'right' isn't really a serious argument.

it in essence means no right to life

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Ok lol, let's put it this way.

In a civil society, they won't allow you to bleed out or die of sepsis in the ER.

agreed.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Dude, you can't fix an open femur fracture going by the Boy Scout manual lol.

but you CAN stop and control the bleeding, splint the leg, and find ways to transport the victim to receive care.

If you advocate denying acute trauma care to people in the ER, just know they do that kind of thing in barbaric countries.

that is not what i'm doing. i'm simply saying that there is no RIGHT to it.

 

[tsuke]

there is no country on the face of this earth that would grow great by letting people just die for lack of care,


how stupid is this idea?



WAY

actually every country that became "great" did so by exploiting others mostly thru right of conquest

 

[SmarterthanYou]

fuck you asshole

you are a sociopath

since you're idiocy is plainly visible, your opinion means shit.