Dixie - In Memoriam
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This entire subject is essentially a 35-year-old liberal agenda item that has been rejected on numerous occasions by the American people, yet it's the bastard child of Ted Kennedy, so the liberals will not be denied. It was Kennedy who first proposed nationalized health care, when he was running for president in the 1980s, and Ronald Reagan warned of this as early as 1961, and at the time, his prognostications were dismissed as 'over the top' and were thought to be surely exaggerated, but low and behold, here we are... just as Reagan said we would be in 1961, ready to convert our nation's health care system to a socialist government-run program.
I keep hearing the proponents make absurd claims that simply defy logic and reason, to support this idea. It begins with the very initial notion that we can possibly insure every person in America. Some people are simply not insurable, they have some pre-existing condition, and insurance by its very nature, ceases to be insurance when it covers pre-existing condition, regardless of what kind of insurance it is. So in those cases, do we consider it some new age entitlement? Because, that is what you are saying. And if that is the case, why should insurance companies have to take it in the shorts, why can't we just call it an entitlement program, and let the people vote on it?
The next absurdity perpetrated on the American people, is this pea-brain notion that socialized medicine will lead to better quality, lower cost, and more availability. Wrong, wrong, and finally, WRONG! The quality, if measured by real world common sense criteria of technology, advancement, pioneering, and research, doesn't get any better than the US. This is where liberals throw in some red herring about mortality rates being higher in isolated frigid Scandinavian socialist countries, where people live in a semi-preserved frozen state most of their long lives. It has nothing to do with the quality of their health care, but because liberals can use the data, they claim people live longer under a socialist health care system. It's just another fucking lie.
As for cost... Show me one thing the government does cheaper than the private sector. How many of you have been a part of, or known someone who has been a part of, a government contract or job? Did they, generally speaking, make about average what most people would make to do the same kind of job in the private sector, or did they make considerably more? The ones I have known, all did considerably well working for Uncle Sam. So we are going to have all of these govt. people, redundantly layered, throughout the entire health care system, with all the bells and whistles, and Big Government title and job, and who will have to pay for it? The patient isn't going to pay for it, we know that... So is government going to now pay what insurance companies once paid? Okay... if they are... how do you suppose a health care service would charge differently to good old Uncle Sam, as opposed to the Private Insurance Agency? And while we're on Private Insurance Agencies, what happens to them? They simply can't go into the entitlement business like the government, they don't have unlimited resources of the taxpayers at their disposal, so they will have to go out of business. That is literally hundreds of thousands of jobs, support services, stockholders, offices, staff... all gone... buh bye!
Investors Business Journal recently did a survey, and they found that 45% of practicing physicians say they will consider leaving their profession, if the current health care reforms become the law. To me, that is stunning. Forget what the AMA says, these are the actual people who treat you when you get sick! 45% of them are NOT going to be there, when this goes through!
There is already a nationwide shortage of nurses. So where do we get these extra medical professionals we will need, to provide free medical care to every American? Can someone tell me that much? I mean, you can want and dream all you like, but you can't just pull nurses out of your ass on a whim, it doesn't work like that. We are already begging people to go into nursing because they are desperately needed now, before the influx of all these extra millions they will be asked to care for!
Somehow, the liberal just filters out all of this, and insists that we will not only reduce costs, but provide better quality care and make it more accessible. It defies common sense and logic, but they insist this is the case, it has been studied, they know it can be done! ...It's pathetic stupid bullshit.
If the government pays and not a private sector insurance company... it will not cost less, it will cost considerably more. If it is made available to 20-30 million more people, and 45% fewer doctors are available to see them, it defies common sense and logic this will result in more availability or better quality of health care. It is almost certain to mean rationing of health care, and bargain basement quality you'll consider yourself lucky to even get.
The final piece of propaganda thrown out there by liberals, is often their 'closer' in the debates... Every country that has gone to a nationalized health care system, never goes back to the old system. They boast as if this means the people are happy with the socialized system, because if they weren't, they could have changed back to a capitalist system. Hey.. I just observed... Every homeless person living in a cardboard box must be happy with it, they never went back to living in a home! Once the system we now have is destroyed, it is gone forever, we can't go back, there is no back. You have destroyed private insurance, and no one would ever want to take the financial risk to do it again, fool me once... So, I do agree, once we have done this, we won't go back...we can't.
So far, the liberals have LIED straight down the line...
You will get to keep the insurance you have now... LIE!
You will not be forced to participate in the program...LIE!
You will have lower cost health care...LIE!
You will have better quality health care...LIE!
You will have more access to health care...LIE!
I keep hearing the proponents make absurd claims that simply defy logic and reason, to support this idea. It begins with the very initial notion that we can possibly insure every person in America. Some people are simply not insurable, they have some pre-existing condition, and insurance by its very nature, ceases to be insurance when it covers pre-existing condition, regardless of what kind of insurance it is. So in those cases, do we consider it some new age entitlement? Because, that is what you are saying. And if that is the case, why should insurance companies have to take it in the shorts, why can't we just call it an entitlement program, and let the people vote on it?
The next absurdity perpetrated on the American people, is this pea-brain notion that socialized medicine will lead to better quality, lower cost, and more availability. Wrong, wrong, and finally, WRONG! The quality, if measured by real world common sense criteria of technology, advancement, pioneering, and research, doesn't get any better than the US. This is where liberals throw in some red herring about mortality rates being higher in isolated frigid Scandinavian socialist countries, where people live in a semi-preserved frozen state most of their long lives. It has nothing to do with the quality of their health care, but because liberals can use the data, they claim people live longer under a socialist health care system. It's just another fucking lie.
As for cost... Show me one thing the government does cheaper than the private sector. How many of you have been a part of, or known someone who has been a part of, a government contract or job? Did they, generally speaking, make about average what most people would make to do the same kind of job in the private sector, or did they make considerably more? The ones I have known, all did considerably well working for Uncle Sam. So we are going to have all of these govt. people, redundantly layered, throughout the entire health care system, with all the bells and whistles, and Big Government title and job, and who will have to pay for it? The patient isn't going to pay for it, we know that... So is government going to now pay what insurance companies once paid? Okay... if they are... how do you suppose a health care service would charge differently to good old Uncle Sam, as opposed to the Private Insurance Agency? And while we're on Private Insurance Agencies, what happens to them? They simply can't go into the entitlement business like the government, they don't have unlimited resources of the taxpayers at their disposal, so they will have to go out of business. That is literally hundreds of thousands of jobs, support services, stockholders, offices, staff... all gone... buh bye!
Investors Business Journal recently did a survey, and they found that 45% of practicing physicians say they will consider leaving their profession, if the current health care reforms become the law. To me, that is stunning. Forget what the AMA says, these are the actual people who treat you when you get sick! 45% of them are NOT going to be there, when this goes through!
There is already a nationwide shortage of nurses. So where do we get these extra medical professionals we will need, to provide free medical care to every American? Can someone tell me that much? I mean, you can want and dream all you like, but you can't just pull nurses out of your ass on a whim, it doesn't work like that. We are already begging people to go into nursing because they are desperately needed now, before the influx of all these extra millions they will be asked to care for!
Somehow, the liberal just filters out all of this, and insists that we will not only reduce costs, but provide better quality care and make it more accessible. It defies common sense and logic, but they insist this is the case, it has been studied, they know it can be done! ...It's pathetic stupid bullshit.
If the government pays and not a private sector insurance company... it will not cost less, it will cost considerably more. If it is made available to 20-30 million more people, and 45% fewer doctors are available to see them, it defies common sense and logic this will result in more availability or better quality of health care. It is almost certain to mean rationing of health care, and bargain basement quality you'll consider yourself lucky to even get.
The final piece of propaganda thrown out there by liberals, is often their 'closer' in the debates... Every country that has gone to a nationalized health care system, never goes back to the old system. They boast as if this means the people are happy with the socialized system, because if they weren't, they could have changed back to a capitalist system. Hey.. I just observed... Every homeless person living in a cardboard box must be happy with it, they never went back to living in a home! Once the system we now have is destroyed, it is gone forever, we can't go back, there is no back. You have destroyed private insurance, and no one would ever want to take the financial risk to do it again, fool me once... So, I do agree, once we have done this, we won't go back...we can't.
So far, the liberals have LIED straight down the line...
You will get to keep the insurance you have now... LIE!
You will not be forced to participate in the program...LIE!
You will have lower cost health care...LIE!
You will have better quality health care...LIE!
You will have more access to health care...LIE!
