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Gun politics in the United Kingdom generally places its main considerations on how best to ensure public safety and how deaths involving firearms can most effectively be prevented. The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. The overall homicide rate is also low. In England and Wales (the most populous part of the United Kingdom) the rate is below the EU average, about four times lower than that of the United States but on almost the same level as in Canada.[1] Its police officers do not routinely carry a firearm.[2]

Gun ownership levels have traditionally been low. This was the case even before the imposition of modern firearm legislation. Hunting with firearms was always a relatively elitist activity, although shooting sports were popular in the late 19th and early 20th Century, especially fullbore rifle events sponsored by the military and NRA to improve the general standard of marksmanship under the auspices of Defence of the Realm.

Many modern civilian rifle clubs trace their ancestry to the 'Volunteers' of the middle 19th century, raised locally among the gentry to afford some degree of readiness to counter the then-perceived threat of invasion by Napoleon III. These volunteer organisations and military shooting clubs developed over time into civilian clubs as the Volunteer organisations were incorporated into the Territorial Army. Recent mass shootings by people with licenced rifles and hand guns have led to what is believed to be some of the strictest firearms legislation in the world[3][4] short of outright prohibition on private ownership of firearms.

In Scotland, power to legislate on firearms was reserved to the UK Parliament under the Scotland Act 1998 that established a Scottish Parliament, which has led to tensions between Westminster and Holyrood with the Scottish Government wanting to enact still stricter laws.[5]

In Northern Ireland, owning a firearm is legal and firearm certificates are issued by the Police Service of Northern Ireland. Firearms control laws in Northern Ireland are slightly different from in Great Britain, being primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004.
 
And in the US we have something called the US Constitution. The 2nd Amendment specifically addresses private gun ownership.

In this country, and individual's rights take precedence over public safety, in most instances. In England the society as a whole is seen as more important.

Also, the population in England is largely more sedate than the population in the US. I have read theories that explain this as our freedoms gone wild, our heritage of achieving as individuals, our huge media presence everywher, and even that we started (and continued) populating our country with those who were kicked out of, or not wanted, in other countries.

Hunting has been a major activity in all but the most urban areas for upper, middle, and lower classes in this country for all but the last 30 years or so. While many countries (especially in Europe) have had to fight to maintain any population of game animals, our animals have had exploding populations. Our hunters still come from all social classes, but we have lost numbers across the board.
 
Drowning rates in the UK are three times less than in the US.

What should we do about that toppy? Ban swimming pools? Ban going into lakes, oceans, rivers, ponds or as you prefer ... swamps?
 
the second amendmant is as needed today as buggywhips

no one is starting a malitia against the US army and no one hunts for food out of need.
 
the second amendmant is as needed today as buggywhips no one is starting a malitia against the US army and no one hunts for food out of need.



Wrong. SmarterThanFew and his Hutaree buds are gonna kill all the cops and overthrow the government.
 
Interesting, Canada has almost exactly as many guns per capita as the U.S., yet their murder rate is lower. How is that possible? According to the anti-gun lobby it is the guns that cause the murder rate, if such were the case the Swiss and the Canadians would have either higher or just as high murder rates... Please, can some anti-gun person tell me how that works?
 
bullshit Cananda has nowhere near the guns we do and I posted swiss murder rate double englands the other day.
NRA talking points
 
bullshit Cananda has nowhere near the guns we do and I posted swiss murder rate double englands the other day.
NRA talking points

Link? All I have to do is tell you to watch, "Bowling With Columbine"... Even tubbo will tell you they are very comparable to the US. You simply dislike when reality doesn't fit in your theoretical nonsense. It is likely, if we figure out the differences in the cultures, we can lower our murder rate without taking away rights.

Right now, you are just spouting nonsense.
 
the second amendmant is as needed today as buggywhips

no one is starting a malitia against the US army and no one hunts for food out of need.

So you want to pick and choose which constitutional amendments we should keep and which we should toss out?

You can believe that homegrown militia would be completely ineffective against the US Army if you want. You would have to have been sleeping thru your US History classes.

You think no one hunts food out of need? You sure about that, Topper? I have known some families that depended on hunting for whatever meat they had. Also, plenty of us hunt and eat what we kill. If you are going to set the precedent that we only get to do what we "need" to do, get ready to lose all your freedoms.

Also, you might want to figure out how you will replace the millions of dollars hunters pay in special taxes, since those taxes make up the lion's share of the conservation efforts in most states.

And while you are replacing the money spent in conservation, work out how to replace the meat donated by various groups to soup kitchens and other charities. Safari Club International donated 477,392 lbs of lean, high quality meat in 2010 alone.
 
slavery used to be allowed all old rules are not good rules

buggywhips were once needed

way more people are shot with thier own fire arms than shoot intruders
 
So you want to pick and choose which constitutional amendments we should keep and which we should toss out? You can believe that homegrown militia would be completely ineffective against the US Army if you want. You would have to have been sleeping thru your US History classes. You think no one hunts food out of need? You sure about that, Topper? I have known some families that depended on hunting for whatever meat they had. Also, plenty of us hunt and eat what we kill. If you are going to set the precedent that we only get to do what we "need" to do, get ready to lose all your freedoms. Also, you might want to figure out how you will replace the millions of dollars hunters pay in special taxes, since those taxes make up the lion's share of the conservation efforts in most states. And while you are replacing the money spent in conservation, work out how to replace the meat donated by various groups to soup kitchens and other charities. Safari Club International donated 477,392 lbs of lean, high quality meat in 2010 alone.



Yeah, no amendments have ever been repealed, have they?


We gotta have those guns to overthrow the government.


What's a few hundred thousand dead and wounded next to the benefit of conservation dollars?
 
Yeah, no amendments have ever been repealed, have they?


We gotta have those guns to overthrow the government.


What's a few hundred thousand dead and wounded next to the benefit of conservation dollars?
One Amendment, which took away one of our freedoms. On the other hand, since the passage of the 21st, we have gone backwards on alcohol, forcing the pointless 21 age requirement accross the board. But you hate freedom, so this probably is good to you. In fact, you probably want to bring back the 18th so as to make the streets safer, right?
 
slavery used to be allowed all old rules are not good rules

buggywhips were once needed

Ok, so tell us which amendments you want thrown out:

1st - Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition
2nd - Right to keep & bear arms
3rd - Conditions for quarters of soldiers
4th - Right of search & seizure regulated
5th - Provisions concerning prosecutio
6th - Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, ect
7th - Right to a trial by jury
8th - Excessive bail, cruel punishment
9th Rule of construction of Constitution

So let us know which rights you would take away.

way more people are shot with thier own fire arms than shoot intruders

That is only accurate if you include suicides. And someone who is serious about suicide is not going to stop trying just because you took away their gun.
 
outlaw guns and only outlaws will have them

you two whine about guns as if you've been personally pistol whipped by them....if yoiu really want to save lives, focus on cancer, alcohol deaths (car and otherwise)...your insane focus on guns more harm to your cause than good. you will never get the 2nd amendment repealed, so why whine and bitch about it all day long? further, you two anti gun wackos constantly ignore that guns are NOT SOLELY for militias. heller was clear that we have an individual right to prorect ourselves, for example home invasion. so you can spout your silly nonsense all day because all you are doing is making more people want to support the second amendment.
 
Englands cops don't even carry guns.
Could we do this no, but only the conservatards think we can't learn anything from another country.

You guy's are saying no fucking change whatsoever to gun supply regardless of the murder numbers.
And you'll continue to win based on no support for my side.
 
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