Greek Austerity; coming to the US?

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For Many Greeks, Here's What Austerity Will Look Like
Published: Wednesday, 29 Jun 2011 | 10:53 AM ET Text Size By: Jeff Cox
CNBC.com Staff Writer


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If you think you’ve got it tough living in America, just be glad you’re not going to be in Greece as that nation begins to confront the true reality of austerity.

With the Greek Parliament’s approval Wednesday of measures designed to bring the country’s disastrous finances under control comes an array of measures that would make Zeus weep.

From a 15 percent cut in public wages to cigarette and alcohol taxes to Social Security reductions and means testing, the Greek measures will instill pain, necessary though it may be, for years to come.

It’s all being done for the sake of helping the country meet its 340 billion-euro debt burden.

Even with the stringent measures, Greece still will be in a heap of trouble, especially considering how much growth could be hampered by tax increases and sharp spending cuts.

“If prevailing is to be considered a success, then the Greek Parliament will prevail and will send tax receipts through the floor rather than skyward, and will prevail in spinning an already dizzy national spirit into a national spirit of economic despair,” Dennis Gartman, hedge fund manager and author of The Gartman Letter, wrote this morning.

“If that is prevailing,” he added, “we’d want no part of it.”

Gartman details the 30 or so measures taken in taxation and cuts in the public sector, defense and benefits, along with a slew of privatization measures, the government will be taking.

Here are 10 of the most onerous:

Taxes will increase by 2.32 billion euros this year and 3.38 billion, 152 million and 699 million in the three subsequent years. There will be higher property taxes and an increase in the value-added tax (VAT) from 19 percent to 23 percent.

Luxury levies will be introduced on yachts, pools and cars and there will be special levies on profitable firms, high-value properties and people with high incomes.

Excise taxes on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol will rise by one-third.

Public sector wages will be cut by 15 percent.

Defense spending will be cut by 200 million euros in 2012 and 333 million each year from 2013 to 2015.

Education spending will be cut by closing or merging 1,976 schools.

Social Security will be cut by 1.09 billion euros this year, 1.28 billion in 2012, 1.03 billion in 2013, 1.01 billion in 2014 and 700 million in 2015. There also will be means testing, and the statutory retirement age will be raised to 65 from 61.

The government will privatize a number of its enterprises, including the OPAP gambling monopoly, the Hellenic Postbank, several port operations, Hellenic Telecom and will sell its stake in Athens Water, Hellenic Petroleum, PPC electric utility and lender ATEank, as well as ports, airports, motorway concessions, state land and mining rights.

Only one in 10 civil servants retiring this year will be replaced and one in five in coming years.

Health spending will be cut by 310 million euros this year and 1.81 billion euros from 2012 to 2015.
 
15% public wage reduction is easy. Some general contractors that I know are down from 50 employees to 10 or 15, and the principals took pay cuts of 30%, twice.

I've said it before and will say it again, to fix our problem here in the US is simple. Stop over spending. Limit the feds to the enumerated powers, thus eliminate entire sectors of the government. For social security, pay our remaining obligations and let the states or the people eventually take over. Reduce our military expenditures overseas. Eliminate foreign aid that props up socialism and dictators. Get out of the UN and charge them rent and real estate taxes on the building. Reduce corporate taxes to get business back so people can work.
 
It would be better IMO to slash spending now, instead of kicking the can down the street for our grandkids to handle ala greece.
 
The Greeks aren't just cutting spending. They are cutting spending and increasing taxes. That's what a real austerity program looks like, and that's what a country that wants to avoid default has to do when it cannot borrow any money from anyone. They're doing it because they do not want to default on their debt and it is what is required to avoid a default. The results will be absolutely devastating to the Greek economy. They are stuck between two shitty options, default or austerity, and are going with austerity as the lesser of the two shitty options.

The situation in the US is not remotely comparable.
 
We should have slashed spending ten years ago.

We should have told George "The Spendthrift" W. Bush to take his spending and shove it. Now that we know that Bush was just the precursor to even more rampant overspending gluts...

I think we should return spending to our "Golden Years" back to 1998 levels...
 
We should have told George "The Spendthrift" W. Bush to take his spending and shove it. Now that we know that Bush was just the precursor to even more rampant overspending gluts...

I think we should return spending to our "Golden Years" back to 1998 levels...

Total agreement there.
 
We should have told George "The Spendthrift" W. Bush to take his spending and shove it. Now that we know that Bush was just the precursor to even more rampant overspending gluts...

I think we should return spending to our "Golden Years" back to 1998 levels...

that stands a snowballs chance in hell of happening. For all the ranting about spending cuts that have been coming from the people, uncle sam still is refusing to look at where they need to cut spending the most and that is at their own base of power. GW Bush nearly doubled the size of the feds with DHS and TSA and anyone who thinks that they are going to go away or reduce their size is just plain batshit insane. They'll double taxes on us before they pare any of those 'terrorist fighting agencies' down.
 
that stands a snowballs chance in hell of happening. For all the ranting about spending cuts that have been coming from the people, uncle sam still is refusing to look at where they need to cut spending the most and that is at their own base of power. GW Bush nearly doubled the size of the feds with DHS and TSA and anyone who thinks that they are going to go away or reduce their size is just plain batshit insane. They'll double taxes on us before they pare any of those 'terrorist fighting agencies' down.



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