Great viewpoint on the 1%.

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I saw this today and thought it was a great perspective on the 1% stuff.


"Before you get grouchy over this note, I understand the complaints of the Occupy movement and am not trying to belittle the struggles of the poor in this country, I just want to bring a sense of perspective to this debate.

Yes, it is true that 99% of the wealth in this country is in the hands of 1% of the population, but at the same time, even the lower level of the 99% is well in the top 1% globally. I am not just spewing statistics. I have been in some of the poorest areas of the US, namely helping with cleanup in the Lower 9th ward in NOLA after Katrina. First of all, if anyone in the country gets to complain, it is that bottom 5% that, instead of just having too much debt legitimately has to make decisions between things like food or rent. But as bad as that was, my trips to Mexico, where their middle class lives like our bottom 5%, and I saw families living in broken down buses, or shanties made of rotted 2x4's and rusted sheet metal, and the children were lucky to have pants, much less shoes, showed me the true depths of poverty and need. When you've had a little girl tug your shirtsleeve asking for more Kool-aid, because it is the greatest thing she's ever had, it gives you perspective on things. This poverty is right across our border, and as bad as it was is probably still in the top 50% of the world.

During my time at the University of Alabama I had the blessing of living with international students and calling many of them my close friends. The stories from them, especially those from Southeast Asia, Africa and the Indian subcontinent were eye-opening. At they all understood how well they had it compared to most in their country, how just the ability to be educated at all was a blessing, especially considering the fact that many American universities require an international student to show a bank account holding nearly a half a million dollars to be able to attend. There is no offer made for aid, only scholarships for the few that earn them.

Perhaps the biggest lesson I learned from these friends was too take life for what it is, and to find happiness in it. The most amazing example of this I saw was during a trip to the Dominican Republic. This island is one where there is very little wealth to go around, many people we saw lived in run-down huts in small villages in the jungle, and had no regular utilities at all, power in their homes was unheard-of except the elite, and they washed their clothes in a river or stream. Despite all of this they were the happiest people I have ever met (and the youngest looking...). For people who had to climb trees, fish and forage for regular food, there were almost no complaints. They had learned to live with what they had available and to enjoy what was important in life.

So my point is, yes there is inequity in the country and not everyone has the same access and ability to reach the top. But we are crazy to think that we are anything but gifted by our accident of birth in one of the richest places in the world... Why do you think illegal immigration is so rampant, even our poorest citizens have it good compared to areas around the world, where people would literally die for the right to be part of the 99% in this country. The Occupy movement is a noble idea, but don't be hijacked by greed, and don't just go for being more wealthy as the goal of joining a movement, or of your life. I've seen firsthand the fact that money doesn't correlate to happiness, even in my life. I make more now than I have in my life, and have surpassed my parents in education and career opportunities, and while I am happy, it doesn't come from that, I was just as happy growing up on welfare in rent controlled housing, because my valuables in life aren't shiny baubles and green pieces of paper. We are getting close to the holiday season and it is time again to take account of what we do have in our lives and to be thankful for the riches we possess. If you want to focus on the economic disparity, go ahead, its your right, but its not going to change without major social upheaval, and even if you do manage to achieve your stated goal, whatever it may be, the truth will still remain that if you can read this from your phone or home computer, if you have the power to run electronics, no matter how old and slow, if you have a home to go back to, food on a regular enough basis you don't have to dumpster dive or beg then you are the 1%... "

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most americans have no idea how good they have they have it. i've traveled to other countries and america is truly a great nation. what we consider poor, is in fact a good living in many, many countries, probably most.
 
I've always rejected the argument that it's okay, because you're still better off than these people here or there. Anyone in history could make that argument, at any time, with a few notable exceptions. It's the kind of argument that kills the drive for continued progress, which is always needed.

That said, I also don't really like how the "occupy" movement has come to have a perception of being "rich against poor," or demonizing the rich. To me, the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity, with particular emphasis on how that is affecting the landscape politically. We're really becoming an aristocracy...not very far from the kind of gov't we rebelled against 200+ years ago.
 
I've always rejected the argument that it's okay, because you're still better off than these people here or there. Anyone in history could make that argument, at any time, with a few notable exceptions. It's the kind of argument that kills the drive for continued progress, which is always needed.

That said, I also don't really like how the "occupy" movement has come to have a perception of being "rich against poor," or demonizing the rich. To me, the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity, with particular emphasis on how that is affecting the landscape politically. We're really becoming an aristocracy...not very far from the kind of gov't we rebelled against 200+ years ago.

who has made this argument?

your last paragraph ignores our history with impunity. tell me, who were the founders of this country and who could originally vote and as such, who were the founding political leaders?
 
I've always rejected the argument that it's okay, because you're still better off than these people here or there. Anyone in history could make that argument, at any time, with a few notable exceptions. It's the kind of argument that kills the drive for continued progress, which is always needed.

That said, I also don't really like how the "occupy" movement has come to have a perception of being "rich against poor," or demonizing the rich. To me, the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity, with particular emphasis on how that is affecting the landscape politically. We're really becoming an aristocracy...not very far from the kind of gov't we rebelled against 200+ years ago.

I think it states things very well. Yes, there is inequity. But no one is starving. The protest is about being able to buy "stuff". They want debts erased. I have a serious issue with erasing debts. At some point, the person in debt went to someone and said "if you will please give me Yada, I will pay you back X amount". They got the product or service and now they don't want to pay for it. Who pays? The tax payer? The person who produced it?

I am all for equity. But I am not all for trying to make sure everyone has the same sized house, the same number of new cars and the same income.
 
I think it states things very well. Yes, there is inequity. But no one is starving. The protest is about being able to buy "stuff". They want debts erased. I have a serious issue with erasing debts. At some point, the person in debt went to someone and said "if you will please give me Yada, I will pay you back X amount". They got the product or service and now they don't want to pay for it. Who pays? The tax payer? The person who produced it?

I am all for equity. But I am not all for trying to make sure everyone has the same sized house, the same number of new cars and the same income.

I don't disagree w/ anything you wrote. But the bottom line is that the gap between the rich & poor is becoming a problem.

I'm surprised that it has become a right/left issue. Obama is about to break a record for campaign spending, with quite a bit coming from corporate "bundlers." People in the House spend a ridiculously disproportionate amount of their time fundraising. Important pieces of legislation are routinely co-written by corporate lobbyists.

People are kidding themselves if they think we still have a gov't by & for the people. It's all about the Benjamins now.
 
I don't disagree w/ anything you wrote. But the bottom line is that the gap between the rich & poor is becoming a problem.

I'm surprised that it has become a right/left issue. Obama is about to break a record for campaign spending, with quite a bit coming from corporate "bundlers." People in the House spend a ridiculously disproportionate amount of their time fundraising. Important pieces of legislation are routinely co-written by corporate lobbyists.

People are kidding themselves if they think we still have a gov't by & for the people. It's all about the Benjamins now.

I think it has been for a while. But it is getting worse.
 
Did you think those were smart questions?

Your posts can be somewhat mosquito-like, and predictable. For a primer on "intelligent response," please see Winterborn above.
 
I've always rejected the argument that it's okay, because you're still better off than these people here or there. Anyone in history could make that argument, at any time, with a few notable exceptions. It's the kind of argument that kills the drive for continued progress, which is always needed.

"It's the kind of argument that kills the drive for continued progress, which is always needed."....Continued progress ?....Do you mean continued 'redistribution of the wealth' ?
What others have worked for and earned,...they deserve, regardless of what others have or don't have....one has nothing to do with the other.....

That said, I also don't really like how the "occupy" movement has come to have a perception of being "rich against poor," or demonizing the rich. To me, the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity, with particular emphasis on how that is affecting the landscape politically. We're really becoming an aristocracy...not very far from the kind of gov't we rebelled against 200+ years ago.

"the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity"...Again, what the hell are you saying?....the growing trend of inequity IS class war and rich against poor...as defined by Communists and Socialists and others.......it is a war caused by envy and jealously...what others have earned and worked for and the wealth they have accumulated, has absolutely nothing to do with what you have.....they didn't steal your possessions....thats the myth the perpetuates the war...
....if you plant an apple tree and keep every fuckin' apple for yourself, thats the way it works....you don't owe anyone else or have to share YOUR apples with anyone else....WE, meaning the United States has been far ahead of the rest of the world in our standard of living for decades and its only recently the rest of the world is catching up and in many cases surpassing our standards.....

Get it through your liberal skull, ....you have no right or claim to the earnings, possessions or belongings of others....its even a Christian commandment if you believe in that stuff....

I don't disagree w/ anything you wrote. But the bottom line is that the gap between the rich & poor is becoming a problem.

I'm surprised that it has become a right/left issue. Obama is about to break a record for campaign spending, with quite a bit coming from corporate "bundlers." People in the House spend a ridiculously disproportionate amount of their time fundraising. Important pieces of legislation are routinely co-written by corporate lobbyists.

People are kidding themselves if they think we still have a gov't by & for the people. It's all about the Benjamins now.

The gap betgween rich and poor is nothing but envy and jealously of the have nots.....you can't become handsome by disfiguring others....you won't become rich by making others poor, you won't enjoy happiness by making others sad, you won't satisfy your hunger by starving your neighbor.......etc.....
 
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Bravs, your posts are almost as predictable as Yurt's. For some, it is envy & jealousy. Not for me. For me, it's about power, and who can buy it.

If you can't see that - and I know you can't - you're fairly hard of seeing...
 
"the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity"...Again, what the hell are you saying?....the growing trend of inequity IS class war and rich against poor....it is a war caused by envy and jealously...what others have earned and worked for and the wealth they have accumulated, has absolutely nothing to do with what you have.....they didn't steal your possessions....thats the myth....if you plant an apple tree and keep every fuckin' apple for yourself, thats the way it works....you don't owe anyone else or have to share YOUR apples with anyone else....WE, meaning the United States have been far ahead of the rest of the world in our standard of living for decades and its only recently the rest of the world is catching up and in some cases even surpassing our standards.....
Get it through your liberal skull, ....you have no right or claim to the earning, possessions or belongings of others....its even a Christian commandent if you believe in that stuff....



The gap betgween rich and poor is nothing but envy and jealously of the have nots.....you can't become handsome by disfiguring others....you won't become rich by making others poor, you won't enjoy happiness by making others sad, you won't satisfy your hunger by starving your neighbor.......etc.....

You can become dumber by reading Bravo's posts though.
 
Bravs, your posts are almost as predictable as Yurt's. For some, it is envy & jealousy. Not for me. For me, it's about power, and who can buy it.

If you can't see that - and I know you can't - you're fairly hard of seeing...

Maybe its YOUR perspective that is skewed...

The problem is not with WHO can buy power.....the problem is with those that SELL THE POWER....the ones you keep voting into office year after year, decade after decade.....

If their is no power for sale, their is no problem.....how many of your votes were for politicians that are now millionairses and more and suck up huge outrageous pensions and have been enjoying perks for the last 30 years on your and my dime....????

Don't get me wrong....this is a problem for both the right and left....and their is no cure in sight.....except for Herman.....

Re-writing the tax code of today, that is used to manipulate the citizens and to promote social engineering is a wonderful first step....
 
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Maybe its YOUR perspective that is skewed...

The problem is not with WHO can buy power.....the problem is with that SELL THE POWER....the ones you keep voting into office year after year, decade after decade.....

If their is no power for sale, their is no problem.....how many of your votes were for politicians that are now millionairses and more and suck up huge outrageous pensions and have been enjoying perks for the last 30 years on your and my dime....????

Don't get me wrong....this is a problem for both the right and left....and their is no cure in sight.....except for Herman.....

Re-writing the tax code of today, that is used to manipulate the citizens and to promote social engineering is a wonderful first step....

So Herman isn't bought retard?
Ever heard of the Koch Bros?
 
Maybe its YOUR perspective that is skewed...

The problem is not with WHO can buy power.....the problem is with those that SELL THE POWER....the ones you keep voting into office year after year, decade after decade.....

If their is no power for sale, their is no problem.....how many of your votes were for politicians that are now millionaires and more and suck up huge outrageous pensions and have been enjoying perks for the last 30 years on your and my dime....????

Don't get me wrong....this is a problem for both the right and left....and their is no cure in sight.....except for Herman.....

Re-writing the tax code of today, that is used to manipulate the citizens and to promote social engineering is a wonderful first step....

Exactly! There will always be wealthy people who want to use that wealth to buy power. The peoples power is the ability to vote, those who would be bought, out of power. All the yammering against the wealthy is vanity. The danger however, as history has taught us, is that there are those who would use the anger over such abuses for themselves to gain or retain power.
 
I've always rejected the argument that it's okay, because you're still better off than these people here or there. Anyone in history could make that argument, at any time, with a few notable exceptions. It's the kind of argument that kills the drive for continued progress, which is always needed.

That said, I also don't really like how the "occupy" movement has come to have a perception of being "rich against poor," or demonizing the rich. To me, the focus should be on the growing trend of inequity, with particular emphasis on how that is affecting the landscape politically. We're really becoming an aristocracy...not very far from the kind of gov't we rebelled against 200+ years ago.

The thing of it is, they are protesting much of what the TEA Parties protested. Government bailouts, coin operated government, etc. The solutions are so far apart it is almost like looking at different species... I don't get people who seriously speak of getting rid of all currency so that the "bourgeois" will suddenly start being chefs and stuff... it's absurd. That system is proven fail.
 
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