Govt about to mandate SPEED LIMITERS on commercial vehicles over 26,000 pounds

[Text Drivers are Killers]

We need this on all highway vehicles. And the limiters should be set at 50 mph. Based on what happened in 1974, such a law would save 10,000 american lives every year . How can anyone oppose this? And yet liberals will. They love their assault vehicles as much as they hate assault rifles.

https://cdllife.com/2022/fmcsa-will...troversial-speed-limiter-mandate-agency-says/

april 28 2022 Wednesday, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) issued a notice indicating that the agency will move forward with a rule to require speed limiting devices on commercial vehicles.

In a Notice of Intent document published on April 27, the FMCSA “announces its intent to proceed with a speed limiter rulemaking by preparing a supplemental notice of proposed rulemaking to follow up on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s and FMCSA’s jointly issued September 7, 2016 notice of proposed rulemaking on this subject.”

The FMCSA plans to propose that any commercial vehicle with a gross vehicle weight of 26,001 pounds or more be equipped with an electronic engine control unit (ECU) that will be capable of governing speed to a limit that will be determined during the rulemaking process.

Earlier this year, the American Trucking Associations (ATA) in partnership with safety group Road Safe America, sent a letter to U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg calling for transportation officials to enact a rule requiring speed limiter devices on all vehicles weighing more than 26,000 pounds. The ATA also suggested mandated speed limits of 60 m.p.h., 65 m.p.h. or 68 m.p.h. for vehicles with speed limiters.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

This is obviously right. Only the psychopaths oppose this. That includes the auto industry execs of course. More crashes mean more sales.

 

[Lightbringer]

Horrible idea. I haven't seen a piece of safety equipment that didn't make a commercial vehicle more dangerous.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Horrible idea. I haven't seen a piece of safety equipment that didn't make a commercial vehicle more dangerous.

Well then you're blind. And stupid too - like all trannies. If you're driving would you rather be hit by a semi doing 80 mph or one doing 50? THINK

 

[Lightbringer]

Well then you're blind. And stupid too - like all trannies. If you're driving would you rather be hit by a semi doing 80 mph or one doing 50? THINK

Seriously dude, new trucks steer and brake by themselves, without the driver being able to intervene, whether it's a good idea or not. When I bought my truck I had all that shit removed.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Horrible idea. I haven't seen a piece of safety equipment that didn't make a commercial vehicle more dangerous.

Horrible idea. Let's say they set the limiter at 68 mph as suggested. The posted speed limits on rural interstates in the West of the US run between 70 and 80 mph. That means these trucks are now a rock in the stream so-to-speak, moving much more slowly than other traffic. That will mean they're a greater danger as vehicles now have to maneuver around them rather than flow with them.

The psychopaths are those that think that limiting the speed of commercial vehicles will improve safety. It won't where those trucks can't maintain speed with the flow of traffic in general.

Driving below the speed limit may be as dangerous as speeding, according to the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Here are some reasons why driving slowly can be dangerous and how to help keep the flow of traffic moving.

https://www.allstate.com/tr/car-insurance/dangers-of-driving-slowly.aspx

The dangers of driving too slowly aren’t as obvious as the risks of speeding but they do exist. Driving much slower than the posted speed limit or driving too slowly in the passing lane can cause dangerous situations on the roadways.

https://www.fbfs.com/learning-center/is-driving-too-slowly-dangerous

The other thing that this will cause is the cost of truck transport to rise. A slower truck means more time is taken by the driver and truck to reach a destination. That in turn means fewer loads over time can be hauled. The result will be an increase in the cost of shipping stuff by truck. It may be minor, but it will happen.

 

[Walt]

Horrible idea. Let's say they set the limiter at 68 mph as suggested. The posted speed limits on rural interstates in the West of the US run between 70 and 80 mph. That means these trucks are now a rock in the stream so-to-speak, moving much more slowly than other traffic. That will mean they're a greater danger as vehicles now have to maneuver around them rather than flow with them.

If there is too much traffic to safely go 80 mph, and deal with a truck going 68 mph, then you are legally supposed to be going 68 mph. You are only allowed to go the faster speed if you can safely deal with slower vehicles.

The reality is there are going to be slower vehicles. It is the faster vehicles job to only go faster if they can safely do so.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

If there is too much traffic to safely go 80 mph, and deal with a truck going 68 mph, then you are legally supposed to be going 68 mph. You are only allowed to go the faster speed if you can safely deal with slower vehicles.

The reality is there are going to be slower vehicles. It is the faster vehicles job to only go faster if they can safely do so.

If the majority of traffic is going 80 and you are going 68 you are the problem, not the solution. In Arizona, ARS 28-701a makes it clear that the speed limit is suggested but your speed is required to be "reasonable and prudent" for conditions:

28-701. Reasonable and prudent speed; prima facie evidence; exceptions

A. A person shall not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances, conditions and actual and potential hazards then existing. A person shall control the speed of a vehicle as necessary to avoid colliding with any object, person, vehicle or other conveyance on, entering or adjacent to the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to exercise reasonable care for the protection of others.

Driving too slow compared to most traffic makes you a hazard.

On rural interstates in Arizona, the speed limit is normally 75 mph. A truck governed to 68 or less mph (probably less realistically as most governors on vehicles make going right to their limit very difficult to do) is likely doing 10 + mph slower than traffic in general. That increases their hazard to traffic.

 

[Walt]

If the majority of traffic is going 80 and you are going 68 you are the problem, not the solution.

Some vehicles have to go 68. If you cannot drive safely around those vehicles, you are the problem. Speed limits are only the speed when they can safely be done.

Let's say there are several inches of water on the road, and the posted speed limit is 80mph. Obviously, it is not safe to go 80mph, so by law you have to do something closer to 15mph.

Driving too slow compared to most traffic makes you a hazard.

There is usually a lower speed limit, but it is usually either 45 or 50mph. That means 68 is completely legal, and if you cannot safely drive your speed around someone driving 68, you are breaking the rules.

Heavier trucks often have trouble going faster than 68, so this is nothing new.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Horrible idea. Let's say they set the limiter at 68 mph as suggested. The posted speed limits on rural interstates in the West of the US run between 70 and 80 mph. That means these trucks are now a rock in the stream so-to-speak, moving much more slowly than other traffic. That will mean they're a greater danger as vehicles now have to maneuver around them rather than flow with them.

The problem there is not the speed limiters. The problem is criminal psychopath drivers like you that insist on doing 80 mph when the speed limit is 60. That's why we need speed limiters on all cars or much much higher penalties for speeding. THINK

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

If the majority of traffic is going 80 and you are going 68 you are the problem, not the solution. In Arizona, ARS 28-701a makes it clear that the speed limit is suggested but your speed is required to be "reasonable and prudent" for conditions:

HAHAHA. Hear that everybody.??? This moron says there are no actual speed limits in arizona.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

HAHAHA. Hear that everybody.??? This moron says there are no actual speed limits in arizona.

Yes, there are. That's in sections 28-701b and c. But in 701a, speed limits are set and what speed you do has to be reasonable and prudent based on that along with sections b and c.

 

[Bigdog]

Yes, there are. That's in sections 28-701b and c. But in 701a, speed limits are set and what speed you do has to be reasonable and prudent based on that along with sections b and c.

TDK is a BIG gov't socialist.

He's the guy doing 55 in the passing lane. And cussing at all the drivers he forces to pass him on the right.

 

[Walt]

He's the guy doing 55 in the passing lane. And cussing at all the drivers he forces to pass him on the right.

Now driving 55 in the passing lane is a real issue. But driving 55 in the far right lane is perfectly legal on highways. If you cannot drive around a truck in the far right lane going 55 safely, you are going too fast.

 

[Celticguy]

Well then you're blind. And stupid too - like all trannies. If you're driving would you rather be hit by a semi doing 80 mph or one doing 50? THINK

dead either way.
now if you look at it as a preventative to that truck doing something unsafe BECAUSE its going slower and is easier to maintain control of then you have a point.

 

[Legion]

Since self-driving trucks (and cars) are likely to be mandated by law soon, it's not as though we'll have a choice.

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U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

U.S. regulators on Thursday issued final rules eliminating the need for automated vehicle manufacturers to equip fully autonomous vehicles with manual driving controls to meet crash standards.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-eliminates-human-controls-requirement-fully-automated-vehicles-2022-03-11/

Federal Agency Legalizes Self-Driving Cars Without Steering Wheels, Pedals

NHTSA is helping pave the way for Level 5 autonomous cars and trucks.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced a groundbreaking rule change that updates Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. The regulatory change clears the way for driverless cars that don't have traditional controls like a steering wheel or pedals.

FMVSS requirements inform virtually every aspect of production cars, setting out exacting rules that every automaker must follow, right down to mandating things like windshield wiper placement and even motor speeds. Up until now, federal law has required a dedicated driver's seat, steering wheel, steering column and pedals in vehicles, crimping auto and tech company ambitions for testing prototype vehicles.

There are no fully autonomous vehicles on sale to consumers today, but they're something manufacturers and supplier companies are hard at work developing.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/nhtsa-self-driving-cars-law-no-steering-wheels-pedals-autonomous/

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Since self-driving trucks (and cars) are likely to be mandated by law soon, it's not as though we'll have a choice.

Self-driving cars and trucks will never be a big thing. The hacking problem is insurmountable. There is also the huge threat of the govt causing crashes to kill dissidents.

 

[Legion]

Self-driving cars and trucks will never be a big thing. The hacking problem is insurmountable. There is also the huge threat of the govt causing crashes to kill dissidents.

Automated trucking, a technical milestone that could disrupt hundreds of thousands of jobs, hits the road

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless-trucks-could-disrupt-the-trucking-industry-as-soon-as-2021-60-minutes-2021-08-15/

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

TDK is a BIG gov't socialist.

He's the guy doing 55 in the passing lane. And cussing at all the drivers he forces to pass him on the right.

If the speed limit is 55, i have a right to do that in the left lane all i want. Why don't you stop breaking the law.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Automated trucking, a technical milestone that could disrupt hundreds of thousands of jobs, hits the road

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driverless-trucks-could-disrupt-the-trucking-industry-as-soon-as-2021-60-minutes-2021-08-15/

Yes - it's being tried but it's not gonna catch on in a big way. Self driving vehicles will never be more than a niche.