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GM, Ford See Sales Decline as 'Clunkers' Draws to Close

General Motors and Ford Motor reported US sales declines that were roughly in-line with what automotive analysts were expecting for September, the first full month after the federal government's popular "Cash for Clunkers" program ended.

Ford's sold a total of 109,939 vehicles last month, down from 116,734 units in September of 2008.



Also Thursday, privately held Chrysler said its monthly auto sales fell 44.4 percent from the year prior. The decline was deeper than the 38 percent industry watchers anticipated.

The government's clunkers incentive program boosted U.S. sales from the last week of July through the first three weeks of August and auto industry analysts and executives expected a sharp pullback due to weaker demand and low inventories at dealerships.

Ford [F 7.025 -0.185 (-2.57%) ], the only large U.S. automaker not to reorganize through a government-supported bankruptcy this year, expects a gradual recovery in U.S. auto industry sales as the economy recovers and consumer confidence returns.

Ford expects U.S. auto industry sales for 2009 to come in at about 10.5 million vehicles to 11 million vehicles including medium and heavy duty trucks. It expects 2010 U.S. auto industry sales of about 12.5 million vehicles.

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On Wednesday, industry forecasting firm IHS Global Insight said Toyota Motor [TM 77.27 -1.30 (-1.65%) ] and Ford Motor are likely to outsell General Motors in the U.S. market by 2015—when industry sales will finally return to levels last seen in 2000.
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Faltering Chrysler is also expected to lose market share in a recovering market and by 2015 its U.S. sales will be on par with those of surging Hyundai Motor, IHS said Wednesday.

Toyota already overtook GM in global sales last year.

Ford, the only U.S. automaker that has not sought emergency government loans to run operations, has gained market share in recent months at the expense of GM and Chrysler. It currently ranks third in U.S. sales behind GM and Toyota.
 
Ford did not go bankrupt or nearly so. Who would want to buy a car from someone who might not be there tomorrow.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Not as much. I've always thought that American cars are shitty because the companies want you to have to buy another every few years.
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Disposability/waste has been a large part of the American way of life and basis for it's economy.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Not as much. I've always thought that American cars are shitty because the companies want you to have to buy another every few years.
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American cars are shitty because the car companies are run by shitty management and the designs are shitty. An industry the size of the automotive industry with competitors from outside America cannot be sustained by its home market. Of all the motor companies in the world the American industry is known for its abject failure in exports. Certainly it has plants overseas and certainly these bring in revenue and profit, but less comes back to the US per car than from straight exports and fewer American people work. American brands, with the exception of Ford are almost unknown outside America. They have never been a 'must have' item. They have no WOW factor. They are seen as oversized, over priced, poorly designed polluters. Look at the successes: BMW ... gotta WOW factor, Mercedes Benz... gotta WOW factor, Volvo...gotta a safety rep. Look at the Japs ... no WOW factor, no safety rep, but priced well, designed well, marketed brilliantly and outselling American cars on your home turf.
Certainly be proud of American industry but no one would expect you to be proud of shite!
It was months before the 'cash for clunkers' scheme that I maintained that the only way to save your car industry and other industries, was to shift inventory. OK, finally this scheme was rolled out, but with absolutely NO BLOODY THOUGHT whatsoever about what was to happen next. Iraq invasion all over again!
Does no body have the brains to think things through, to play the what if game?
Never heard of Plan B? Eff me, guys! YOU taught US marketing. Do we have to bring the books back so you can remember what you said????
 
Ford fans...go figure.

Actually I have a Ford Van. It was a good deal (used) and runs ok for me.

I just like to poke at fanatics of all types.
 
Lowaicue said:
American cars are shitty because the car companies are run by shitty management and the designs are shitty. An industry the size of the automotive industry with competitors from outside America cannot be sustained by its home market. Of all the motor companies in the world the American industry is known for its abject failure in exports. Certainly it has plants overseas and certainly these bring in revenue and profit, but less comes back to the US per car than from straight exports and fewer American people work. American brands, with the exception of Ford are almost unknown outside America. They have never been a 'must have' item. They have no WOW factor. They are seen as oversized, over priced, poorly designed polluters. Look at the successes: BMW ... gotta WOW factor, Mercedes Benz... gotta WOW factor, Volvo...gotta a safety rep. Look at the Japs ... no WOW factor, no safety rep, but priced well, designed well, marketed brilliantly and outselling American cars on your home turf.
Certainly be proud of American industry but no one would expect you to be proud of shite!
It was months before the 'cash for clunkers' scheme that I maintained that the only way to save your car industry and other industries, was to shift inventory. OK, finally this scheme was rolled out, but with absolutely NO BLOODY THOUGHT whatsoever about what was to happen next. Iraq invasion all over again!
Does no body have the brains to think things through, to play the what if game?
Never heard of Plan B? Eff me, guys! YOU taught US marketing. Do we have to bring the books back so you can remember what you said????
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Funny, most foreign makers are AMERICAN owned. Volvo is owned by Ford, as is Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Land Rover, not to mention Mazda. Chrystler owns Mistubishi and I believe Mercedes. And GM owns several as well, though I honestly don't know which ones, if any anymore.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Funny, most foreign makers are AMERICAN owned. Volvo is owned by Ford, as is Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Land Rover, not to mention Mazda. Chrystler owns Mistubishi and I believe Mercedes. And GM owns several as well, though I honestly don't know which ones, if any anymore.
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LOL. Low seems to be a bit confused. When he says that no American brand is widely recongnized outside of America besides Ford he gives himself away... Ford is the only American brand that actively brands most of its cars as such - and they own many smaller brands as well. GM brands hardly anything as "GM" besides repackaged Silverados, they have tons of smaller brands. Same thing with Chrysler.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Funny, most foreign makers are AMERICAN owned. Volvo is owned by Ford, as is Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Land Rover, not to mention Mazda. Chrystler owns Mistubishi and I believe Mercedes. And GM owns several as well, though I honestly don't know which ones, if any anymore.
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You didn't read what I said, did you?
 
Lowaicue said:
You didn't read what I said, did you?
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I believe I quoted it in fact.

You started off saying that most American cars aren't popular outside the U.S. especially compared to foreign models. Then you went on some sort of tangent about Iraq, somewhere I'm pretty sure you've never been, and completely unrelated to the American automotive industry.
 
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Watermark said:
LOL. Low seems to be a bit confused. When he says that no American brand is widely recongnized outside of America besides Ford he gives himself away... Ford is the only American brand that actively brands most of its cars as such - and they own many smaller brands as well. GM brands hardly anything as "GM" besides repackaged Silverados, they have tons of smaller brands. Same thing with Chrysler.
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Neither did you.
I referred to 'foreign' brands being owned by American companies. BUT the BRAND is still foreign. The profits from those enterprises often do NOT come back to America and they tend NOT to create american jobs.
America cars are shitty for the reasons stated. Indeed most mechanical products hailing from your side of the world are crappy. Oversized, over powered and impractical and completely lacking in taste.
WTF is a Silverado? Some sort of cowboy?
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
I believe I quoted it in fact.
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This is what I said:

"Certainly it has plants overseas and certainly these bring in revenue and profit, but less comes back to the US per car than from straight exports and fewer American people work..."
 
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