Gloaters a minority, according to poll

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This is for you, Tintard:​

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By the way, you really are "curious".​
 
so the people in the ME who doubt osama is dead (his followers or supporters) are gloaters?

your grip on reality is not strong.
 
Actually, once he's made the decision he needs to stick with it. While I think that the "spiking the football" is a bit ridiculous when you then make an 8 minute tape basically promoting how great you are for doing it and I don't think the release would make us any more vulnerable than the release of Abu Grabass photos. I don't think anybody has any realistic question of whether OBL was killed May 1st. I mean, you'd have to get 40 SEALS, all the sailors on the Vincent, everybody in the upline in analysis, etc. to just flat lie. It isn't going to happen.

Releasing the photo after making the decision will just make him look like a flopper and won't do anything to make the situation better. I support that. It was a good decision either way, now he just needs to stand by it.
 
Yurt said:
so the people in the ME who doubt osama is dead (his followers or supporters) are gloaters?

your grip on reality is not strong.
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They are having a hard time with that now that al Qaeda itself has pretty much said, "Yup he's dead, and because they just killed him we're going to get those evil Americans..."
 
Damocles said:
They are having a hard time with that now that al Qaeda itself has pretty much said, "Yup he's dead, and because they just killed him we're going to get those evil Americans..."
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true...but epic makes it out as if it is only americans who want the pictures released...he doesn't have the mental ability to understand that others outside of the US want further proof as well.
 
I dont want to see the photos. And if they were released the kids would be seeing them too.They defiantly shouldn't exposed to them.
 
wanderingbear said:
I dont want to see the photos. And if they were released the kids would be seeing them too.They defiantly shouldn't exposed to them.
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Our kids have seen worse in their history books that cover the holocaust. I understand the sentiment, and as I said I fully support Obama standing firm and not releasing it once he made the choice and it is clear that no sane person is confused about the death, but "think about the children" is a crappy reason not to release the photo.
 
Damocles said:
Our kids have seen worse in their history books that cover the holocaust. I understand the sentiment, and as I said I fully support Obama standing firm and not releasing it once he made the choice and it is clear that no sane person is confused about the death, but "think about the children" is a crappy reason not to release the photo.
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Here's what I don't like about the whole release or don't release the photo BS. Do you really believe that a mission that was planned down to the most minute detail did not have a "show the death picture or not decision already made? If not, why the hell not? If they had already decided to not show the picture-imagine if they had just said we will not show pictures- instead of building up the story by being ambiguous-over 3 days-Panetta saying we will release-then Obama's saying we won't release. Or they had decided to release a picture in the planning-one pic is released the very first day-the story then goes on the back burner-done....no build up. Obama is the master of keeping stupid shit in the headlines for days to keep his chosen story alive for political reasons-think birth certificate- this smacks of keeping the "I got bin Laden story alive. Think about the headlines that should be in front of us...THE ECONOMY. bin Laden had his 3 days----but oh the pictures will now dominate if the W.H. has its way
 
Ice Dancer said:
Here's what I don't like about the whole release or don't release the photo BS. Do you really believe that a mission that was planned down to the most minute detail did not have a "show the death picture or not decision already made? If not, why the hell not? If they had already decided to not show the picture-imagine if they had just said we will not show pictures- instead of building up the story by being ambiguous-over 3 days-Panetta saying we will release-then Obama's saying we won't release. Or they had decided to release a picture in the planning-one pic is released the very first day-the story then goes on the back burner-done....no build up. Obama is the master of keeping stupid shit in the headlines for days to keep his chosen story alive for political reasons-think birth certificate- this smacks of keeping the "I got bin Laden story alive. Think about the headlines that should be in front of us...THE ECONOMY. bin Laden had his 3 days----but oh the pictures will now dominate if the W.H. has its way
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Yet people still are "demanding" pictures or not demanding. The pictures are inconsequential to me. I agree, the focus has been on the inconsequential. However we have 18 months until election day to turn the focus, what we need are the candidates to start talking about the issues that matter.
 
Several Republican presidential hopefuls want President Barack Obama to release photos that prove U.S. forces killed Osama bin Laden during a covert raid in Pakistan, criticizing the Democrat's decision-making just days after many praised him for getting the world's most-wanted terrorist.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul said Thursday that he sides with transparency when there is public doubt. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said "it would have been OK to release the photos." And former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin accused Obama of "pussy-footing" on making the photos public.

It was a contrast to the initial words of commendation that came from many of Obama's potential GOP rivals just hours after he announced that American forces had tracked down and shot to death the al-Qaida leader behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

By Thursday, some of Obama's potential challengers were criticizing his decision to withhold photos of bin Laden's corpse. Obama has likened the release of the photographs — they are privately described as gruesome by those who have seen them — to spiking a football in the end zone: not what the United States does.

At least one Republican hopeful in a still-forming field agreed. "It's best not to release the photo because it has the potential to incite retaliatory violence against Americans," former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said in a statement.

Earlier this week in Iowa, Pawlenty weighed in on the photos, saying: "This is somebody who had no regard for the 3,000 or so Americans that he killed on 9/11 in horrific conditions; buildings crushing, people jumping out of windows ... And somehow the notion that he and his followers would be offended by that, when they are, in fact, the purveyors of terror. I think it would have been OK to release the photos."

Palin went further, posting this to her Twitter account: "Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama; it's part of the mission."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/ap_on_el_ge/us_gop2012_bin_laden
 
Damocles said:
Yet people still are "demanding" pictures or not demanding. The pictures are inconsequential to me. I agree, the focus has been on the inconsequential. However we have 18 months until election day to turn the focus, what we need are the candidates to start talking about the issues that matter.
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That's the political "new birth certificate aka bin Laden photo" play.
 
It'll never cease to amaze me how quickly & seamlessly some righties can rewrite history. Obama is now responsible for the birther issue being a big news story...
 
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