Gadhafi assassinated 5 years ago today

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Moammar Gadhafi died five years ago today -- ignominiously pulled from a drainage pipe and executed by a young fighter whose parents had likely been children themselves when the Libyan dictator first came to power in 1969.

I clearly remember being in the luxurious Rixos hotel in Tripoli, as NATO bombs were falling outside, when one of Gadhafi's trusted lieutenants told me "you will see," no one but Gadhafi can keep this country together. "You in the West think this is easy but when he is gone you will understand."

He told me this without rancor, without grimace or smile. He spoke as someone who knows what they're talking about because they've done it. He had the precise certainty that comes from spending years experiencing Libya's equally mercurial and endlessly scheming tribes.
Libya has more than a 100 tribes -- with some spreading across the country's borders with Egypt and Tunisia -- but only a few of them hold sway politically.

Today his words haunt me. If there was ever a vision shared by former British Prime Minster Cameron and former French President Nicolas Sarkozy as they rushed NATO towards airstrikes over Libya, then it evaporated long ago.

-Libya in chaos-

Libya is in a mess. Three governments vie for power, multiple tribes compete for influence and a slice of the country's dwindling oil wealth, and ISIS managed to take a foothold in the city of Sirte -- Gadhafi's home town.
Like the Roman emperor Septimius Severus who diverted the treasure of his empire to build up his home town -- the splendid coastal city of Leptis Magna -- Gadhafi did the same in his own home hamlet, lavishing it with hospitals, homes, highways, and even conference centers. His fall bred a lot of resentment there, which ISIS perhaps exploited.
Today, Sirte is under siege by western-backed local militias trying to drive out thousands of ISIS fighters, who moved in a little over a year ago.
ISIS saw the chaos in Libya as ripe for exploitation and ideal for an expansion of their barbaric cult. Al Qaeda tried to seize the same opportunity several years earlier.
Their leader Ayman al Zawahiri sent trusted lieutenants there to establish a base.

Recent reports from sources in Sirte suggest ISIS is regrouping for another phase of the fight to defend its position in the city.
Some fighters loyal to ISIS have dispersed across the country, while others have sent their families to live with local tribes.
The influential Warfalla tribe, upon whom Gadhafi relied to prop up his leadership, are believed to have taken in some with ISIS links.
These are roots Libya and the West can ill afford to see grow.

-Power struggle-

From an urgency to see stability and stop ISIS' growth in Libya, the United Nations hastened in a Government of National Accord (GNA) earlier this year.
The idea being that once established, the GNA as a sovereign government could call on allies to help it tackle ISIS. But from the moment the GNA's leadership arrived in Tripoli in March by boat from Tunisia, they have struggled to gain legitimacy.
They compete with the Islamist-dominated General National Congress (GNC) -- also known as the Government of National Salvation -- under Prime Minister Khalifa Ghwell.

n 2014, the GNC ousted the previous internationally recognized government -- the Council of Deputies -- that has since set up camp in the east of Libya, adding weight to fears the country could split along old regional lines -- east, west and south.

The latest setback to international plans came only last week when the GNA was surrounded by elements of the GNC, a coup of sorts, but in essence nothing more than a reset of the equilibrium back in favor of Islamist militias. On top of this ISIS is proving more resilient in Sirte than many imagined.
 
Oil to the rescue?
Libya's ultimate salvation lies in its oil. This could fund the rebuilding of the country and spread the wealth wide enough so that enough competing factions can come together to impose a peace.
In recent weeks, oil output has doubled from 250,000 barrels per day to 500,000 thousand -- far short of the Gadhafi-era production levels in excess of 1 million barrels.
But while this may look the kind of forward momentum many in the West wish to see, it masks significant complications in Libya's spiraling conflict.
The boost in oil sales came off the back of a military offensive by the de facto defense chief of the former internationally recognized government, General Khalifa Haftar.
He took control of key oil facilities in the east. To the West's surprise, Libya's National Oil Corporation chief stationed in Tripoli allowed Haftar and his allies to sell the oil.
The move makes a mockery of the UN-backed GNA's ability to lead the country, put it under their control and own the oil. Haftar had refused to back the GNA and in this development has outmaneuvered them and put further question marks against their legitimacy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-sisi-idUSKCN0WJ12M
 
Gadhafi assassinated 5 years ago today

Reagan failed to get Malomar Quadaffy. Obama succeeded.

Bush failed to get UBL. Obama succeeded.

Trump is 10 points behind the Democrat in the polls.

Are we supposed to not see the trend here?

What do you say we exhume Barry Goldwater? Poke his corpse with a stick. Perhaps we can get him to run one more time.

The GOP is SOL.
 
You know what always makes me laugh is when Crooked ILLary brags about being in the situation room "watching us take down Osama Bin Laden" as if that is some kind of accomplishment. She makes it sound like she led the assault on the compound. You know like she was under sniper fire in Bosnia

Only someone as dumb as GayRod could vote for a stupid, dishonest cunt like her
 
Gadhafi assassinated 5 years ago today

Reagan failed to get Malomar Quadaffy. Obama succeeded.

Bush failed to get UBL. Obama succeeded.

Trump is 10 points behind the Democrat in the polls.

Are we supposed to not see the trend here?

What do you say we exhume Barry Goldwater? Poke his corpse with a stick. Perhaps we can get him to run one more time.

The GOP is SOL.

So you think it is all over?

Crooked ILLary is going to win?
Dems are going to take the House and the Senate?

I do seem to recall JPP libs saying they would take the House and Senate in 2012 too, so..........................
 
No, but that's not new.
ROFL..yes that IS new- post Qadaffi. He warned us about it too.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/b...arned-jihadists-would-conquer-northern-africa

During the dying days of his four decade rule, Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi cast an ominous prophecy. If his regime fell, jihadists would subjugate northern Africa, inflicting widespread violence and terror.

Al-Qaeda considers all the people to be infidels,” Mr. Gaddafi declared in a speech weeks before NATO began its military intervention in Libya. “They deem all people their enemies. They know nothing but killing.”

The Islamists would pour in from Afghanistan, Algeria, and Egypt, he warned, saying, “These are beasts with turbans.”


 
Oil to the rescue?

Libya's ultimate salvation lies in its oil.


You just heard about that, did you??


Why Gaddafi's Now a Good Guy!
May 16, 2006

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n the first call, at 11.15am on 25 February 2011, Gaddafi gave a warning in part borne out by future events: “They [jihadis] want to control the Mediterranean and then they will attack Europe.”

In the second call, at 3.25pm the same day, the Libyan leader said: “We are not fighting them, they are attacking us. I want to tell you the truth. It is not a difficult situation at all. The story is simply this: an organisation has laid down sleeping cells in north Africa. Called the al-Qaida organisation in north Africa … The sleeping cells in Libya are similar to dormant cells in America before 9/11.”

Gaddafi added: “I will have to arm the people and get ready for a fight. Libyan people will die, damage will be on the Med, Europe and the whole world. These armed groups are using the situation [in Libya] as a justification – and we shall fight them.”

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"So you think it is all over?"

I did not assert that "it is all over" (your words).
You have inferred what I did not imply.
"Crooked ILLary is going to win?"
It's unwise to make predictions, PARTICULARLY about the future.

BUT !!

While I don't make many predictions, I do read many newspapers.
And the many newspapers I read include reports of results from reputable polling agencies such as Marist & Gallup that say Hillary has a substantial, and potentially decisive lead over Trump.

Is that predictive?
Who knows?!

But why would public opinion flip-flop with less than a month to go?

"Dems are going to take the House and the Senate?"

I doubt it.

"I do seem to recall JPP libs saying they would take the House and Senate in 2012 too, so..."

EXCELLENT!!

Please take up your grievances with them.
 
Five years ago, strongman Muammar Gaddafi, who had balanced Libyan factions to preserve stability, was hunted down and brutally killed by NATO-backed rebels, but ousting him has resulted in chaos and perpetual bloodshed rather than freedom and prosperity.

These days are busy for Libya. In the capital, Tripoli, a militant faction defied the UN-supported Government of National Unity (GNA) last Friday by declaring its own government. They have since seized a parliamentary building and exchanged sporadic gunfire with loyalist forces.

The GNA has no proper army of its own, so Tripoli is a patchwork of rival armed groups. Some back government officials, while others are linked to Islamist groups or militias in other cities. The situation is a reflection of Libya in general, where local warlords and tribal militias determine the daily lives of people with little regard to any central authority.

The offensive on the ground is being conducted by militias from nearby Misrata, a city with a decades-long rivalry with Sirte that played a key part in defeating Gaddafi in 2011.


Ironically, the GNA was formed to overcome a division in Libya, which had lived with two rival governments for months. The one in Tripoli was formed by Islamists, while the one in Tobruk was deemed legitimate by the UN. However, the transition to the GNA sidelined a powerful general, Khalifa Haftar, who had been the Tobruk government’s defense minister, prompting him to oppose the new government. He is now the de facto ruler of Tobruk and doesn’t answer to Tripoli.

Meanwhile, US warplanes have been carrying out dozens of airstrikes around Muammar Gaddafi’s home city, Sirte, which fell to Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) militants more than a year ago after its powerbase was crippled by the Libyan leader’s demise. IS, which originated in Iraq, has been expanding into Syria and Libya over the past two years, while encouraging or organizing a number of bloody terrorist attacks in Europe and the US.

Before the 2011 turmoil, Libya had a prospering economy, which used oil revenues to create jobs for hundreds of thousands of guest workers. Gaddafi also cracked down on smugglers, effectively turning his country into a migration buffer zone for Europe.

ome European leaders appear to be nostalgic about those times. Last month, Hungarian PM Viktor Orban, a refugee-skeptic, suggested building a ‘refugee city’ in Libya, where they could be kept away from his country.

Stimulating a recovery for the Libyan economy is apparently a goal for the distant future. The GNA is hoping to boost crude production to 900,000 barrels per day by year’s end and reported reaching a figure 551,000 barrels per day last week thanks to reopened ports. In 2010, Libya produced 1,650,000 barrels per day.

The fact that gunmen are fighting over the country’s oil infrastructure and that those in control of some facilities sometimes attempt to seize or bomb others held by their rivals doesn’t help. Neither do the occasional kidnappings of foreign workers, who could be useful in kick starting Libya’s industry again.

Muammar Gaddafi’s demise came in 2011 after he had spent a decade attempting to befriend the West. During that time, he paid compensation for the Lockerbie plane bombing, decommissioned weapons of mass destruction, and even secretly tortured prisoners for Washington on Libyan soil for its “war on terror.” He also kept the country’s money in Western financial institutions, as wasteful as that has proven to be. Nevertheless, the steam roller of the so-called Arab Spring crushed him – with a good deal of help from NATO bombs.

The US appears to be taking Thomas Jefferson’s advice for nurturing the tree of liberty very seriously, refreshing it with the blood of tyrants and patriots – at least on foreign soil – though somehow this sort of gardening doesn’t seem to work in Middle-Eastern sand, judging by the present state of Libya and some of the other countries in the region.

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Portraits of Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi adorn a date seller's stand at a market in the old town of Tripoli (L), A girl stands in the doorway of a home destroyed in battles on Tripoli street in central Misrata
 
So you think it is all over?

Crooked ILLary is going to win?
Dems are going to take the House and the Senate?

I do seem to recall JPP libs saying they would take the House and Senate in 2012 too, so..........................

I don't think we will get the house.
 

sorry to use RT- but other then the OP I see virtually nothing on this today..
RT is damn accurate on this one though..
 

sorry to use RT- but other then the OP I see virtually nothing on this today..
RT is damn accurate on this one though..
RT isn't a problem. The mess in Libya is well documented. That doesn't detract from the fact that life for anyone who didn't support Qadafi was hell, and they wanted him gone.
 
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