France Announce Likely Exit From Europe Ahead of Brexit Vote

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France has turned even more viscerally eurosceptic than Britain over recent months, profoundly altering the political geography of Europe and making it impossible to judge how Paris might respond to Brexit. An intractable economic crisis has been eating away at the legitimacy of the French governing elites for much of this decade. This has now combined with a collapse in the credibility of the government, and mounting anger over immigration.

A pan-European survey by the Pew Research Center released today found that 61pc of French voters have an “unfavourable” view, compared to 48pc in the UK. A clear majority is opposed to “ever closer union” and wants powers returned to the French parliament, a finding that sits badly with the insistence by President Francois Hollande that “more Europe” is the answer to the EU’s woes.

“It is a protest against the elites,” said Professor Brigitte Granville, a French economist at Queen Mary University of London. “There are 5000 people in charge of everything in France. They are all linked by school and marriage, and they are tight.” Prof Granville said the mechanisms of monetary union have upset the Franco-German strategic marriage, wounding the French psyche. “The EU was sold to the French people as a `partnership’ of equals with Germany. But it has been very clear since 2010 that this is not the case. Everybody could see that Germany decided everything in Greece,” she said.

The death of the Monnet dream in the EU’s anchor state poses an existential threat to the European project and is running in parallel to what is happening in Britain.

Greece is the most eurosceptic country, followed by France. The UK is comparable to Germany Credit: Pew

The Front National’s Marine Le Pen is leading the polls for the presidential elections in 2017 with vows to restore the French franc and smash the EU edifice. While it has long been assumed that she could never win an outright majority, nobody is quite so sure after the anti-incumbent upset in Austria last month. “The Front National is making hay from the Brexit debate,” said Giles Merritt, head of the Friends of Europe think tank in Brussels.

“The EU policy elites are in panic. If the British vote to leave the shock will be so ghastly that they will finally wake up and realize that they can no longer ignore demands for democratic reform,” he said. “They may have to dissolve the EU as it is and try to reinvent it, both in order to bring the Brits back and because they fear that the whole political order will be swept away unless they do,” he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/07/france-shuns-europe-as-brexit-revolt-spreads/

 

[Celticguy]

The party is over over there.
Might be what they need to address their muslim infestation.

 

[Airstrip One]

Frankly, I always have assumed that France and Germany were with epicenter of pro-EU sentiment. That's pretty shocking, if true, and makes the Brexit movement seem like a minor inconvenience by comparison.

 

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Frankly, I always have assumed that France and Germany were with epicenter of pro-EU sentiment. That's pretty shocking, if true, and makes the Brexit movement seem like a minor inconvenience by comparison.

Just goes to show that you guys are not really plugged into the European Zeitgeist, the French are revolting and they want to leave the EU.

 

[tsuke]

Just goes to show that you guys are not really plugged into the European Zeitgeist, the French are revolting and they want to leave the EU.

let me be the first on the board to wish you a happy independence day on June 23. I hope you guys have a smooth transition out of the german empire.

 

[moon]

Frankly, I always have assumed that France and Germany were with epicenter of pro-EU sentiment. That's pretty shocking, if true, and makes the Brexit movement seem like a minor inconvenience by comparison.

You're correct in that assumption. What is alterning the stability of the EU is the rise of right-wing extremism.
Essentially racist- and playing upon fear and xenophobia- European fascists, because that's what they are , have been playing the democratic system and exploiting its weaknesses. The bulwark of European neofascism is the Islamophobia generated by reaction to the West's attacks upon Muslim countries- all designed to provide current and future support for the cuckoo state of Israel. It isn't much of a stretch to place neoZionism squarely at the centre of Europe's cultural problems- although most media-controlled armchair Zionists find that hard to swallow. They think that Zionism revolves around twilight sausage-sizzles and a couple of verses of Kumbaya.
Of course, the attack on the twin towers was also a reaction to Western attacks upon Islam on Israel's behalf- so the US has already experienced the sort of reaction that Europe is experiencing now, although 9/11 has been scrubbed and gift-wrapped for the anti-Muslim cause.

Europe can exist perfectly well without the membership of England- and I say ' England ' and not ' the UK ' because the UK's component parts will be splitting from England soon after any successful Brexit campaign. They want European status, as does every other progressive European country. ' In unity is strength ', obviously, and countries which fall to neofascism will have a very hard time interacting with the EU bloc.

Of course, nobody should believe the rancid propaganda of European racists- such as " France Announce Likely Exit From Europe ". France has ' announced ' nothing of the kind and such claims are the vacuous trumpeting of wannabe local white tribesmen.

 

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You're correct in that assumption. What is alterning the stability of the EU is the rise of right-wing extremism.
Essentially racist- and playing upon fear and xenophobia- European fascists, because that's what they are , have been playing the democratic system and exploiting its weaknesses. The bulwark of European neofascism is the Islamophobia generated by reaction to the West's attacks upon Muslim countries- all designed to provide current and future support for the cuckoo state of Israel. It isn't much of a stretch to place neoZionism squarely at the centre of Europe's cultural problems- although most media-controlled armchair Zionists find that hard to swallow. They think that Zionism revolves around twilight sausage-sizzles and a couple of verses of Kumbaya.
Of course, the attack on the twin towers was also a reaction to Western attacks upon Islam on Israel's behalf- so the US has already experienced the sort of reaction that Europe is experiencing now, although 9/11 has been scrubbed and gift-wrapped for the anti-Muslim cause.

Europe can exist perfectly well without the membership of England- and I say ' England ' and not ' the UK ' because the UK's component parts will be splitting from England soon after any successful Brexit campaign. They want European status, as does every other progressive European country. ' In unity is strength ', obviously, and countries which fall to neofascism will have a very hard time interacting with the EU bloc.

Of course, nobody should believe the rancid propaganda of European racists- such as " France Announce Likely Exit From Europe ". France has ' announced ' nothing of the kind and such claims are the vacuous trumpeting of wannabe local white tribesmen.

Muslims don't get to decide this late in history that they are suddenly weary with war against the West. There are reasons why we engage them, and it's generally because they have been attacking or terrorizing us. Nuke Israel off the map, and Muslims will still not be satisfied.

I would personally rather be unified with England than with France or Germany, just based upon its track-record versus theirs.

 

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Muslims don't get to decide this late in history that they are suddenly weary with war against the West. There are reasons why we engage them, and it's generally because they have been attacking or terrorizing us. Nuke Israel off the map, and Muslims will still not be satisfied.

I would personally rather be unified with England than with France or Germany, just based upon its track-record versus theirs.

Many other blinkered twats will agree with you. Your loss.

 

[Airstrip One]

Many other blinkered twats will agree with you. Your loss.

Well, France has given us the Reign of Terror, and Germany is the gift that keeps on giving with regard to vile ideology and movements. England produced America, which makes it 1000x worse, I'm sure.

 

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You're correct in that assumption. What is alterning the stability of the EU is the rise of right-wing extremism.
Essentially racist- and playing upon fear and xenophobia- European fascists, because that's what they are , have been playing the democratic system and exploiting its weaknesses. The bulwark of European neofascism is the Islamophobia generated by reaction to the West's attacks upon Muslim countries- all designed to provide current and future support for the cuckoo state of Israel. It isn't much of a stretch to place neoZionism squarely at the centre of Europe's cultural problems- although most media-controlled armchair Zionists find that hard to swallow. They think that Zionism revolves around twilight sausage-sizzles and a couple of verses of Kumbaya.
Of course, the attack on the twin towers was also a reaction to Western attacks upon Islam on Israel's behalf- so the US has already experienced the sort of reaction that Europe is experiencing now, although 9/11 has been scrubbed and gift-wrapped for the anti-Muslim cause.

Europe can exist perfectly well without the membership of England- and I say ' England ' and not ' the UK ' because the UK's component parts will be splitting from England soon after any successful Brexit campaign. They want European status, as does every other progressive European country. ' In unity is strength ', obviously, and countries which fall to neofascism will have a very hard time interacting with the EU bloc.

Of course, nobody should believe the rancid propaganda of European racists- such as " France Announce Likely Exit From Europe ". France has ' announced ' nothing of the kind and such claims are the vacuous trumpeting of wannabe local white tribesmen.

You are a truly serious loony, I have rarely read a bigger load of conspiracy loaded crapola. Fucking cretin!

 

[moon]

You are a truly serious loony, I have rarely read a bigger load of conspiracy loaded crapola. Fucking cretin!

Neofascist rhetoric . Go kick a refugee.

 

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Well, France has given us the Reign of Terror, and Germany is the gift that keeps on giving with regard to vile ideology and movements. England produced America, which makes it 1000x worse, I'm sure.

Peter Hitchens can always be relied on to deliver some common sense on this issue, Moonbat is just a blithering ignoramus who loves to spout Marxist agitprop.

I think we are about to have the most serious constitutional crisis since the Abdication of King Edward VIII. I suppose we had better try to enjoy it. If – as I think we will – we vote to leave the EU on June 23, a democratically elected Parliament, which wants to stay, will confront a force as great as itself – a national vote, equally democratic, which wants to quit. Are we about to find out what actually happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? I am genuinely unsure how this will work out. I hope it will only destroy our two dead political parties, stiffened corpses that have long propped each other up with the aid of BBC endorsement and ill-gotten money.

I was wrong to think that the EU referendum would be so hopelessly rigged that the campaign for independence was doomed to lose. I overestimated the Prime Minister – a difficult thing for me to do since my opinion of him was so low. I did not think he could possibly have promised this vote with so little thought, preparation or skill. I underestimated the BBC, which has, perhaps thanks to years of justified and correct criticism from people such as me, taken its duty of impartiality seriously. Everything I hear now suggests that the votes for Leave are piling up, while the Remain cause is faltering and floundering. The betrayed supporters of both major parties now feel free to take revenge on their smug and arrogant leaders.

It has been a mystery to me that these voters stayed loyal to organisations that repeatedly spat on them from a great height. Labour doesn’t love the poor. It loves the London elite. The Tories don’t love the country. They love only money. The referendum, in which the parties are split and uncertain, has freed us all from silly tribal loyalties and allowed us to vote instead according to reason. We can all vote against the heedless, arrogant snobs who inflicted mass immigration on the poor (while making sure they lived far from its consequences themselves). And nobody can call us ‘racists’ for doing so. That’s not to say that the voters are ignoring the actual issue of EU membership as a whole. As I have known for decades, this country has gained nothing from belonging to the European Union, and lost a great deal. If Zambia can be independent, why cannot we? If membership is so good for us, why has it been accompanied by savage industrial and commercial decline? If the Brussels system of sclerotic, centralised bureaucracy is so good, why doesn’t anyone else in the world adopt it?

As for the clueless drivel about independence campaigners being hostile to foreigners or narrow-minded, this is mere ignorant snobbery. I’ll take on any of them in a competition as to who has travelled most widely, in Europe and beyond it. Good heavens, I’ve even read Tolstoy and like listening to Beethoven. And I still want to leave the EU. Do these people even know what they are saying when they call us ‘Little Englanders’? England has never been more little than it is now, a subject province of someone else’s empire.

I have to say that this isn’t the way out I would have chosen, and that I hate referendums because I love our ancient Parliament. And, as I loathe anarchy and chaos, I fear the crisis that I think is coming. I hope we produce people capable of handling it. I wouldn’t have started from here. But despite all this, it is still rather thrilling to see the British people stirring at last after a long, long sleep.

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