Five Myths About Women In Combat

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Repeating archaic stereotypes and misconceptions didn't work when the services were integrated, it didn't work when gays were allowed to serve openly, and it won't work with women serving in combat.

FIVE MYTHS ABOUT WOMEN IN COMBAT

1. Women are too emotionally fragile for combat.

This myth is based on cultural stereotypes and Hollywood hype. There is no concrete evidence to suggest that women are any more susceptible to combat stress than their male counterparts.

Women in the Marine Corps, for example, go through training identical to what men get. While boot camp is segregated by gender, subsequent training is integrated, and women train for combat the same way as men. Gender-integrated units don’t exclude women from any activity. Women shoot, exercise, plan battles and conduct military maneuvers the same way as the men do. They become mentally conditioned the same way as their male counterparts and develop the same combat mind-set. Several studies, including one in 2009 by the Defense Department’s Advisory Committee on Women in the Services, have found that gender integration in noncombat units has no effect on overall unit cohesion.

Post-traumatic stress disorder is an unfortunate consequence of war, especially for those who have served multiple deployments — and sadly, no gender is immune to it.

2. Women are too physically weak for the battlefield.

While it is indisputable that the average man has more upper-body strength than the average woman, women have different physical abilities that enable them to offer unique capabilities in combat.

Distance running is one such arena, and it’s relevant because combat can be as much about physical endurance (sustaining activity over time) as physical strength. According to a study analyzing track-and-field records and published in the journal Nature in 1992, the gaps between male and female performance narrow as the distance is extended, and some studies show that at ultramarathon distances (100 miles or more), women with equal training as their male counterparts outperform men. Researchers theorize that women’s ability to metabolize fat more efficiently contributes to their endurance and success in longer runs. Women also tolerate hot and humid racing conditions better than men because of their smaller body size, according to a 1999 article in the European Journal of Applied Physiology and Occupational Physiology.

Foot patrols involve carrying 50 to 100 pounds of equipment for miles at a time, and I’ve seen male Marines who can bench-press 300 pounds but struggle to walk two miles with 50 pounds of gear. And you don’t have to bench-press 300 pounds to pull a trigger. If a woman passes the physical requirements, why shouldn’t she get the chance to fight?

3. The presence of women causes sexual tension in training and battle.

This notion insults men as much as women. For nearly 10 years, the U.S. military has been fighting two wars with a majority of units that include both men and women. Why hasn’t supposed “sexual tension” undermined the stellar performance of gender-integrated units?

Women work in close proximity to men in all sorts of occupations — whether dancers or astronauts or war correspondents — without cause for alarm. Personally, I have found more sexual harassment and gender bias in the corporate world than in the military. In the military, I was treated as a Marine first and a woman second.

If anything, the presence of women might improve rather than detract from the service of men. My unit sergeant major, an infantryman, told me once that the presence of women made the men complain less — they didn’t want to appear weaker in front of female counterparts who weren’t complaining.

4. Male troops will become distracted from their missions in order to protect female comrades.

This myth conjures an image of a heroic soldier, attacking the enemy and about to win, until catastrophe strikes: He spots a wounded woman on the battlefield and abandons his assault to save her life, costing his side the battle. It’s the “women and children first” argument translated to the battlefield.

This reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be a warrior. In battle, saving a comrade is one of the highest and noblest things one can do. Since Vietnam, 10Americans have won the Medal of Honor, our highest decoration for valor. Nineof them received it for saving the lives of comrades on the battlefield.

If men — or women — have the gallantry to save a fellow soldier’s life in battle, it’s because that is what we are trained to do. It’s no drawback; it is part of our greatest strength as a fighting force. And if a woman, or a man for that matter, can’t carry the wounded, the corpsman or another soldier will be close behind to help.

5. Women can’t lead men in combat effectively.

Why not? Across the planet, women have proven their worth as leaders as diplomats, heads of state and corporate titans. This is no less true in the military and in combat. In history as well as ancient mythology, women have often emerged as heroic leaders of men and women in battle, with Joan of Arc and the Assyrian queen Semiramisjust two of the most notable examples. In the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, there have been countless women who, often unrecognized, have served as leaders of military men and women.

Army Gen. Ann E. Dunwoody proved a few years ago, when she received her fourth star, that women can achieve high leadership roles in the military — yet she is not the norm. Leaders such as Dunwoody prove that women have what it takes. They just need the opportunity.

“If women are expected to do the same work as men,” Plato wrote, “we must teach them the same things.” If we trained women to be leaders in combat as we train men to be leaders in combat, why wouldn’t they perform just as well? But women do not receive intensive infantry training because they are excluded not just from combat roles, but from serving in combat units at all. This is the same discrimination that kept women from voting — the idea that they were not qualified to do so.
 
There are some similar myths about women as prison guards. Studies and results have shown that actually women are more effective in some areas than men, because most of the felons are less likely to take a swing at a woman.
 
1. Women are too emotionally fragile for combat.
"Several studies, including one in 2009 by the Defense Department’s Advisory Committee on Women in the Services, have found that gender integration in noncombat units has no effect on overall unit cohesion."


This really doesnt matter. Yes, most women are not suited for killing. Its not really because of their gender, its because of the way the American society "raises" girls into women. In our culture women are nurtures not warriors. I realize some people wish to change this, and more power to them... however, putting Americans lives at risk to try and make this "progressive" change is only ignorant.

2. Women are too physically weak for the battlefield.
While it is indisputable that the average man has more upper-body strength than the average woman, women have different physical abilities that enable them to offer unique capabilities in combat.

Yes it is indisputable that women are weaker then men. As far as running marathons as some unique capability in combat... that is unique.. ive never seen anyone run a marathon in combat. Only a fool would try and argue that women are physically equal to men.

3. The presence of women causes sexual tension in training and battle.
This notion insults men as much as women. In the military, I was treated as a Marine first and a woman second.

As insulting as this may be to the author, it is truthful nonetheless. To think you can put 18 yr old young men, with 18 yr old young women... isolate them, and put them in close quarters... without sexual tension is idiotic. I know that the author feels this is a disservice but it is the truth despite how insulting it may be.... and 9 times out of 10 most females in the Marine Corps will be treated as Marines first and females second...

4. Male troops will become distracted from their missions in order to protect female comrades.
And if a woman, or a man for that matter, can’t carry the wounded, the corpsman or another soldier will be close behind to help.

Typical female response... If I cant do it, they'll bleed out or someone else can carry them. lol The truth is that the Israeli military tried this with the exact same result as what is described in this truth. For some societies the value of a woman's life as well as her role in a society is not worth anything. For an American young man, most anyway, you grow up with great attachment, affinity, respect and understanding of how important women are to you and your family, and as a "man" how you are meant to protect them.. from lots of things... such as other men. Now.. we can always change this... and I dont know, view women as others in the world might. Not sure that would be progress for our society, but... whatever the feministas want. I know that part of the current administrations main focus was the Violence Against Women Act.. but if women are all really warriors and are pretty much equal to males physically, then Im not sure why we'd have a Violence Against Women Act... shouldnt it just be two "equals" fighting it out?

5. Women can’t lead men in combat effectively.
Im not sure Ive ever heard this one before.... I think it may be just a combo of 1 - 4... meaning, it may be hard for a woman who's not so suited to undertake killing, and who is not physically equal, and may be in a sexual relationship with one of her brothers in arms and require protection from other men by either A) other men or B) the Violence Against Women Act.. it would probably make it hard for them to lead men into combat... but... I guess you never know.
 
I am a Desert Storm veteran where women were used in practically every operation by the Army. Just before the war started and immediately after we sent out thousands of 13/14/15 person crews with 2 or 3 wheeled vehicles whether they be jeeps, cannons, equipment trailers, etc. In almost all of them at least one female was in the crew. Over and over I saw at least one male fall backwards with his 60/70/75 lb. backpack plus a shoulder slung assault firearm as he rushed towards a waiting C-130 full engine running. Over and over I saw a female pick up one arm and an accompanying male pick up the other and they never missed a beat. What was that female going to do? Drive the damned jeep? Where was she going to shit? The same place that the males did. All this gender confliction is just boogieman bullshit. Go Girls Go!!!!!!! You EARNED it!!!!!! NOW BY GOD MAKE DAMNED SURE YOU GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
1. Women are too emotionally fragile for combat.
"Several studies, including one in 2009 by the Defense Department’s Advisory Committee on Women in the Services, have found that gender integration in noncombat units has no effect on overall unit cohesion."


This really doesnt matter. Yes, most women are not suited for killing. Its not really because of their gender, its because of the way the American society "raises" girls into women. In our culture women are nurtures not warriors. I realize some people wish to change this, and more power to them... however, putting Americans lives at risk to try and make this "progressive" change is only ignorant.

2. Women are too physically weak for the battlefield.
While it is indisputable that the average man has more upper-body strength than the average woman, women have different physical abilities that enable them to offer unique capabilities in combat.

Yes it is indisputable that women are weaker then men. As far as running marathons as some unique capability in combat... that is unique.. ive never seen anyone run a marathon in combat. Only a fool would try and argue that women are physically equal to men.

3. The presence of women causes sexual tension in training and battle.
This notion insults men as much as women. In the military, I was treated as a Marine first and a woman second.

As insulting as this may be to the author, it is truthful nonetheless. To think you can put 18 yr old young men, with 18 yr old young women... isolate them, and put them in close quarters... without sexual tension is idiotic. I know that the author feels this is a disservice but it is the truth despite how insulting it may be.... and 9 times out of 10 most females in the Marine Corps will be treated as Marines first and females second...

4. Male troops will become distracted from their missions in order to protect female comrades.
And if a woman, or a man for that matter, can’t carry the wounded, the corpsman or another soldier will be close behind to help.

Typical female response... If I cant do it, they'll bleed out or someone else can carry them. lol The truth is that the Israeli military tried this with the exact same result as what is described in this truth. For some societies the value of a woman's life as well as her role in a society is not worth anything. For an American young man, most anyway, you grow up with great attachment, affinity, respect and understanding of how important women are to you and your family, and as a "man" how you are meant to protect them.. from lots of things... such as other men. Now.. we can always change this... and I dont know, view women as others in the world might. Not sure that would be progress for our society, but... whatever the feministas want. I know that part of the current administrations main focus was the Violence Against Women Act.. but if women are all really warriors and are pretty much equal to males physically, then Im not sure why we'd have a Violence Against Women Act... shouldnt it just be two "equals" fighting it out?

5. Women can’t lead men in combat effectively.
Im not sure Ive ever heard this one before.... I think it may be just a combo of 1 - 4... meaning, it may be hard for a woman who's not so suited to undertake killing, and who is not physically equal, and may be in a sexual relationship with one of her brothers in arms and require protection from other men by either A) other men or B) the Violence Against Women Act.. it would probably make it hard for them to lead men into combat... but... I guess you never know.

1. Women are less likely to kill somebody than men are, pretty much a fact, something like 87% of murders are committed by men, can't argue with that. Not sure how you could prove that women are less likely to kill somebody when ordered to though, would be an interesting study.

2. Women are physically weaker than men, ok and that would have some relevance if we were still marching into battle with spears but we have things called trucks and guns now. How much upper body strength does it take to sit in the driver seat and fire a cannon? How much endurance do you need to be able to gun a helicopter? I suspect you'll see a huge predominance towards women in the special forces for decades but aside from that, null point.

3. Sexual tension? So the gays can handle their "sexual tension" but the normal civilized people can't? It's interesting how those two thoughts can exclude eachother, either gays are homoerotically insane and just want to screw everything in sight, but can handle it if you put them in a uniform, but regular women just would go crazy if you put them in the same uniform... Strange.

4. Soldiers protecting other soldiers? No, we can't have that.

5. Women also can't effectively command civilians, or be effective police officers, or handle any position of authority, oh wait.


So we're left with the only real impediment being cultural conditioning.
 
1. Women are less likely to kill somebody than men are, pretty much a fact, something like 87% of murders are committed by men, can't argue with that. Not sure how you could prove that women are less likely to kill somebody when ordered to though, would be an interesting study.

2. Women are physically weaker than men, ok and that would have some relevance if we were still marching into battle with spears but we have things called trucks and guns now. How much upper body strength does it take to sit in the driver seat and fire a cannon? How much endurance do you need to be able to gun a helicopter? I suspect you'll see a huge predominance towards women in the special forces for decades but aside from that, null point.

3. Sexual tension? So the gays can handle their "sexual tension" but the normal civilized people can't? It's interesting how those two thoughts can exclude eachother, either gays are homoerotically insane and just want to screw everything in sight, but can handle it if you put them in a uniform, but regular women just would go crazy if you put them in the same uniform... Strange.

4. Soldiers protecting other soldiers? No, we can't have that.

5. Women also can't effectively command civilians, or be effective police officers, or handle any position of authority, oh wait.


So we're left with the only real impediment being cultural conditioning.

1. The purpose of an infantry unit is to ultimately kill people. Its horrible, and its violent, and its necessary. It is more advantageous to any military unit when you dont require a study to see if women can be conditioned to become more violent and more lethal if you were going to add them to your combat arm ranks. You should already know. There are without a doubt women that can handle this without any difficulty. But this isnt about individual cases, this is an "institutional" policy which means you deal with the average... On average a typical male recruit who has chosen the Marine Corps as his preferred service understands and accepts fully the application of violence and the requirements inherent... otherwise there is no need to join the Marine Corps.. this is ESPECIALLY magnified if such an individual chooses a combat arms MOS. This is paramount to a young man deciding that he wants to be a firefighter but is deathly afraid of fire and would not expect to put out fires as a fireman. This is illogical. We now will find ourselves with female recruits that have no real basis for what they may experience choosing to do a job for which they are ill equipped... and I guess we'll "see how it goes". This is ignorant.

2. The modern advancements in technology do not excuse combat arms units from training for the baseline scenario... which does not involve trucks... Some terrain is not conducive to such mobile transport. Every infantry unit MUST be proficient in their maneuvers via FOOT. There are places all over the world that will not support truck traffic. AFG is one of them. Females already man helicopter weapons.. that is a Wing element and they do so without complication. Your viewpoint is the major misconception for those that feel like women have already been doing what an infantryman does. That they just stand in a truck turret and all you really need to be able to do is stand up and pull triggers. This is entirely and absolutely false.

3. I dont see any evidence to support that "gays" can handle their sexual tension any better than anyone else. The difference that you are speaking too is that normally, one gay male will participate in sexual activity with another gay male... I dont think its crazy to think that normal heterosexual males or females wouldnt participate in sexual relations with the opposite sex of the same sexual orientation. Basically, no Im not suggesting that females become sex crazed.. im only suggesting that females and males will have sex. If you questioned the majority of female service members and they were honest, they will admit to having sex with a male member of the military at some point in their career. Females do not stay celibate any more than males do. Can you expect to have females working alongside males being outnumbered 5 to 1, building friendships, spending large amounts of time together, to not develop relationships? To not fall in love? According to http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011...s-military-growing-share-distinctive-profile/ which did some demographic research military women are less likely than their male counterparts to be married (46% vs. 58%), those women who do marry are much more likely than men to wed someone who is also in the active-duty military (48% vs. 7%). A very large % of women are finding their husbands from within the services... which is entirely logical as these are the pool of men most likely to be romantically involved with.

4. We can and we do have that.

5. Civilian jobs and careers are not comparable to military combat arms jobs and careers. I dont know why there is this constant forgetfulness that being a police officer is not the same as being an infantryman, they are not comparable. Police officers are not instruments of the state designed to kill people.

Cultural conditioning does play a part in all of this. That is a fact.
 
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