FBI: Hillary Clinton Broke the Law, We Just Don’t Really Care

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The FBI inquiry into the Clinton email scandal came to an ignoble end Tuesday in a manner that few could have predicted: one of the nation’s highest-ranking civilian law enforcement officers laying out for a full ten minutes all the evidence indicating that a Secretary of State broke the law, followed by the Shyamalanian twist that he didn’t believe said Secretary should be prosecuted.

And yes, by any straightforward interpretation, Hillary Clinton broke the law. The law bans negligently hosting classified information in an unauthorized location. By FBI Director James B. Comey‘s account, Clinton stored information on her private email server that any State employee– let alone the Department head– would have known immediately known was highly-classified top secret information. More to the point, despite Clinton’s frequent protestations to the contrary, he confirmed that some of those emails were indeed marked classified at the time.

Comey didn’t even particularly go out of his way to hide Clinton’s guilt, beginning by summarizing the statute in question:

Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way

…only to later say this.

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system…

Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.


The key words in that second bolded section by the way are “any reasonable person.” As any 1L student could tell you, the “reasonable person” standard is the exact test used by American judges and juries to determine whether or not someone is guilty of gross negligence. It’s not an exaggeration to say that Comey literally laid out the exact argument law enforcement would have made for prosecuting Clinton. I also predict the FBI press team will receive dozens of questions in the coming months asking why “extremely careless” and “grossly negligent” aren’t the exact same thing given that, you know, they’re the exact same thing.

When Comey finally came around to stating the reasoning behind the FBI’s decision not to recommend charges, his argument was based not on whether she committed a crime (again, because she did), but “the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.”

Translation: Hillary Clinton broke the law, but not badly enough for us to care.

I wonder how much the FBI’s logic in this case will be applied going forward. If the FBI finds they’ve only ever prosecuted counterfeiters that produced $1,000 or more in false currency, will I get off for making $200? What other crimes will go unprosecuted just because they couldn’t find any evidence they had ever faced a similar situation? What other crimes have a second secret definition that has to be met before the federal government decides they should act?

To state my objection more clearly, Comey argues that Clinton shouldn’t be prosecuted because her violations of the law don’t meet the prevailing standards, but never bothers to explain why those standards ought to be controlling in any case, let alone this one. On the contrary, one could make the case that as a cabinet-level official, Clinton ought to be held to a higher standard than the everyday grunts.

All this is made all the more irritating by Comey’s statement that “no reasonable prosecutor” would bring charges and his dismissal of those who would inevitably criticize his decision by saying “opinions are irrelevant.”
In the end, Comey’s decision was an opinion; it was a value judgment on whether or not, letter of the law aside, Clinton’s conduct was immoral enough to warrant charges. That is certainly something that reasonable people can disagree on, prosecutors and otherwise.

I’m reminded incidentally of the Clinton impeachment trial. The legal arguments that Bill Clinton did not perjure himself were always weak, with Clinton forced to pedantically argue that oral sex was not “sexual relations” and perhaps the word “is” does not mean “is.” But the Clinton administration never really bothered presenting the legal arguments to the public: instead they insisted it was “just sex,” a trivial matter, politically motivated, part of a vast right wing conspiracy, etc. Clinton’s impeachment lawyers even cited his high approval ratings during the proceedings.

Again, the message was clear: Bill Clinton probably broke the law, but not badly enough that you should care.

We’ve known all election that Hillary Clinton broke the law: she illegally filmed a campaign event in the New York subway in clear contravention of the law. No one seriously suggested she should be prosecuted for that crime because everyone realized that the offense was minor, inadvertent, and rarely enforced. There’s a broad bipartisan consensus in favor of prosecutorial discretion.

But prosecutorial discretion is only a tool for justice when applied equally across the board. As Comey himself admitted, the Clinton decision does not “suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences.” Perjury and stealing classified government documents are crimes that would see mere mortals thrown in prison, but time and time again the Clintons and their consiglieres get to skate.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/fbi-hillary-clinton-broke-the-law-we-just-dont-really-care/
 
"As Comey himself admitted, the Clinton decision does not “suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences.”

That's what you call coming out and saying it lol. Actually, "we could indict her but her name is Hillary Clinton so we're not going to", would be more concise.

I'm not even sure what to say about it.
 
Anatta if you ban the troll from your next thread he will have to play with himself more than usual

I know this isn't going to be liked by the people who thread ban (even the ones who often agree with me), but thread banning is the simplest form of cowardice.

This is why you'll note that if I start a thread there's never a ban.

If people want to talk and make themselves look stupid, why should I stop them?
 
I know this isn't going to be liked by the people who thread ban (even the ones who often agree with me), but thread banning is the simplest form of cowardice.

This is why you'll note that if I start a thread there's never a ban.

If people want to talk and make themselves look stupid, why should I stop them?

Because some of us enjoy decent conversation and if you know certain people won't contribute to that why invite them in?
 
Because some of us enjoy decent conversation and if you know certain people won't contribute to that why invite them in?

It's not a coward thing. More like annoyance prevention.

More to the OP point, even WashPo is saying this will haunt Hillary's campaign even she escaped charges.
 
It's not a coward thing. More like annoyance prevention.

More to the OP point, even WashPo is saying this will haunt Hillary's campaign even she escaped charges.

This is probably true because Trump will make up his own points on the matter, and Trumpeteers are too stupid to fact check.
 
Seriously, these right winged conspiracy theories are hilarious, why would this guy make a deal with Clinton? It seems like he is a pretty solid Republican, so what would be his carrot for making a deal with Clinton?

Director James B. Comey
September 4, 2013 - Present

On September 4, 2013, James B. Comey was sworn in as the seventh Director of the FBI.
A Yonkers, New York native, James Comey graduated from the College of William & Mary and the University of Chicago Law School. Following law school, Comey served as an assistant United States attorney for both the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of Virginia. Comey returned to New York to become the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. In 2003, he became the deputy attorney general at the Department of Justice (DOJ).
Comey left DOJ in 2005 to serve as general counsel and senior vice president at defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Five years later, he joined Bridgewater Associates, a Connecticut-based investment fund, as its general counsel.


 
"As Comey himself admitted, the Clinton decision does not “suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences.”

That's what you call coming out and saying it lol. Actually, "we could indict her but her name is Hillary Clinton so we're not going to", would be more concise.

I'm not even sure what to say about it.

Comey's a Republican. I'm sure if there was really anything to indict prosecute over he would have been on it like a duck on a June bug.

Pitbull Starr couldn't get her 20 years ago and now Comey can't either. I suppose none of you understand it's because no laws were broken.
 
In the end Comey gave Trump great ad material.

Hillary says "I never sent confidential information"

Comey "Hillary sent confidential information"

Game. Set. Match.
 
Comey's a Republican. I'm sure if there was really anything to indict prosecute over he would have been on it like a duck on a June bug.

Pitbull Starr couldn't get her 20 years ago and now Comey can't either. I suppose none of you understand it's because no laws were broken.

No laws were broken? Because they Comey claims he can't prove she intentionally violated the law it means no laws were broken?
 
Comey's a Republican. I'm sure if there was really anything to indict prosecute over he would have been on it like a duck on a June bug.

Pitbull Starr couldn't get her 20 years ago and now Comey can't either. I suppose none of you understand it's because no laws were broken.

I know he's a republican. If he wanted her she was there for the taking. The duck passed on the June bug.

If he did recommend an indictment what would be your criticism of it. I can't think of one.
 
Under federal law intent was not an issue in this case. Comey overstepped.

In a sense he hurt Crooked Hillary more not indicting.
 
No laws were broken? Because they Comey claims he can't prove she intentionally violated the law it means no laws were broken?

I've said over and over and over that what she did was stupid and uncalled-for. If all the power and resources of the FBI can't prove she intentionally broke the law, what do you expect anyone to do?
 
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