Epicurus and the Epicurean Philosophy

Epicurus

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No one ever seemed to pick it up, but I thought I'd share with you a little bit about where my handle comes from.

From Wiki:

Epicurus was an ancient Greek philosopher and the founder of the school of philosophy called Epicureanism. Only a few fragments and letters remain of Epicurus's 300 written works. Much of what we know about Epicurean philosophy derives from later followers and commentators.

For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to attain the happy, tranquil life, characterized by aponia, the absence of pain and fear, and by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that pleasure and pain are the measures of what is good and bad, that death is the end of the body and the soul and should therefore not be feared, that the gods do not reward or punish humans, that the universe is infinite and eternal, and that events in the world are ultimately based on the motions and interactions of atoms moving in empty space.

Epicurus also believed (contra Aristotle) that death was not to be feared. When a man dies, he does not feel the pain of death because he no longer is and he therefore feels nothing. Therefore, as Epicurus famously said, "death is nothing to us." When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.

In connection with this argument, Epicurus formulated a version of the problem of evil. Though often referred to as the "Epicurean paradox," the argument is more accurately described as a reductio ad absurdum of the notion that an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent god could exist in a world that manifestly contains evil. This doctrine, however, is not aimed at promoting atheism. Instead, it is part of an overarching philosophy meant to convince us that what gods there may be do not concern themselves with us, and thus would not seek to punish us either in this or any other life.


Epicurean Values

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"Epicurus also believed (contra Aristotle) that death was not to be feared. When a man dies, he does not feel the pain of death because he no longer is and he therefore feels nothing. Therefore, as Epicurus famously said, "death is nothing to us." When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness."

I think that some people fear death for that reason, mostly people who have been scarred by religious propoganda, but I fear it for the exact reason he describes. An eternity of non-existence. That freaks me out more than I can explain.
 
"Epicurus also believed (contra Aristotle) that death was not to be feared. When a man dies, he does not feel the pain of death because he no longer is and he therefore feels nothing. Therefore, as Epicurus famously said, "death is nothing to us." When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness."

I think that some people fear death for that reason, mostly people who have been scarred by religious propoganda, but I fear it for the exact reason he describes. An eternity of non-existence. That freaks me out more than I can explain.

I agree it's a hard thing to come to terms with and it's probably unhealthy to spend a lot of time dwelling on it but I feel much more comforted by the Epicurean idea of than the idea of a judgemental deity.
 
"Epicurus also believed (contra Aristotle) that death was not to be feared. When a man dies, he does not feel the pain of death because he no longer is and he therefore feels nothing. Therefore, as Epicurus famously said, "death is nothing to us." When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness."

I think that some people fear death for that reason, mostly people who have been scarred by religious propoganda, but I fear it for the exact reason he describes. An eternity of non-existence. That freaks me out more than I can explain.

an eternity of non existance ? Kinda cancels each other out?

I have already not existed for all the time before I was born...
I will finish not existing for the rest of eternity after I die.
 
I agree it's a hard thing to come to terms with and it's probably unhealthy to spend a lot of time dwelling on it but I feel much more comforted by the Epicurean idea of than the idea of a judgemental deity.

I don't like either and prefer to pretend that we live multiple lives and I will be coming back.

But you are right, it's best not to dwell on it. I used to be unable to stop myself when I was a kid, but I am good at pushing it out of my mind now.
 
an eternity of non existance ? Kinda cancels each other out?

I have already not existed for all the time before I was born...
I will finish not existing for the rest of eternity after I die.

Yeah a lot of people are able to look at it that way, like it's no big deal, but I was never one of them.
 
How does the epicurean stuff blend into conservatism?

Aside from teaching personal responsibility and emphasizing personal freedom, it has very little to do with anything political. It's a philosophy, not a religion or an ideology. I am not a strict Epicurean (if it is even possible to truly be one in the modern world), but most of my personal morality derives from this and Apocatastasis.
 
Wow, I had no idea that you guys had this kind of falling out, sorry.

I mean I know he's just a kid trying to get a rise out of people, but it does kinda ruin this board for me. I was just hoping for a long time that he'd eventually stop on his own but no such luck.
 
Yeah a lot of people are able to look at it that way, like it's no big deal, but I was never one of them.


Then convince yourself we reincarnate.

What we believe has no bearing on what really happens after death in my opinion.

Reincarnation seems the most comforting one of all the post death ideas. Learn how to live and each life you get credit for what you have already learned. You get better every life. It would also mean the rest of the world gets better every life. Good for mankind as a whole.

I wish I could intellectually truely invest in the idea.


When it gets right down to it all you have is this moment. Yesterday is a dream and tomarrow never comes.
 
Then convince yourself we reincarnate.

What we believe has no bearing on what really happens after death in my opinion.

Reincarnation seems the most comforting one of all the post death ideas. Learn how to live and each life you get credit for what you have already learned. You get better every life. It would also mean the rest of the world gets better every life. Good for mankind as a whole.

I wish I could intellectually truely invest in the idea.


When it gets right down to it all you have is this moment. Yesterday is a dream and tomarrow never comes.

I agree on all points Desh.
 
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