Energy Panacea?

Sammy Jankis

Sammy Jankis

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Idiots left and right posit that getting off foreign oil will revive our economy.

But that is bullshit because even if we cheapen energy the savings will still be spent on overseas merchandise, or just saved.

This will not help the unemployment issue because no matter how cheap things get you cannot buy them if you have no job.

We need to force americans back into our own supply chain with protectionist measures and trade reforms which place a premium on american employment.

if you disagree please attempt to make a raional argument as to why.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
we must bring a manufacturing base back in this country. what do you want to build?
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Manufacturing and skilled jobs as well.

We should do everthing. We should adopt an 'americans first' policy in manufacturing and the sciences, and technology.

Globalization is for treasonous assholes and brainwashed fools.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
we must bring a manufacturing base back in this country. what do you want to build?
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People are just not prepared to pay the extra cost of consumer products made in the West anymore. I was watching a TV programme recently about Chinese women making rectangular coils for Apple Corp, they were expected to turn out one every 12 seconds for 10 hours a day. It didn't say how much they were paid but I doubt that it was more than $100 per month. They did say that there was an huge queue of others desperate to get these jobs so that's a powerful incentive to accept the shitty conditions. Can you see anybody in the US working for those wages?
 
tom prendergast said:
People are just not prepared to pay the extra cost of consumer products made in the West anymore. I was watching a TV programme recently about Chinese women making rectangular coils for Apple Corp, they were expected to turn out one every 12 seconds for 10 hours a day. It didn't say how much they were paid but I doubt that it was more than $100 per month. They did say that there was an huge queue of others desperate to get these jobs so that's a powerful incentive to accept the shitty conditions. Can you see anybody in the US working for those wages?
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This is why we should use protectionist measures to disincentive wage slavery, and keep free people employed.

Business is always conducted within a framework of other considerations. It's globalist zealotry to assert otherwise. Globalists want a race to the bottom for labor and a bifurcation of society into haves and have nots.
 
AssHatZombie said:
This is why we should use protectionist measures to disincentive wage slavery, and keep free people employed.

Business is always conducted within a framework of other considerations. It's globalist zealotry to assert otherwise. Globalists want a race to the bottom for labor and a bifurcation of society into haves and have nots.
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Protectionism really worked in the 1930s, what you don't seem to realise is that it cuts both ways. The days have long gone where the US could just pull up the drawbridge and not feel the economic repercussions.
 
tom prendergast said:
Protectionism really worked in the 1930s, what you don't seem to realise is that it cuts both ways. The days have long gone where the US could just pull up the drawbridge and not feel the economic repercussions.
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The days are still here. We could boost our economy just by manufacturing for our own needs at this point, putting the entire country back to work in the process, instead of incentivizing overseas wage slavery. We will most likely do this.

Just so no to globalization stupidity.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Idiots left and right posit that getting off foreign oil will revive our economy.

But that is bullshit because even if we cheapen energy the savings will still be spent on overseas merchandise, or just saved.

This will not help the unemployment issue because no matter how cheap things get you cannot buy them if you have no job.

We need to force americans back into our own supply chain with protectionist measures and trade reforms which place a premium on american employment.

if you disagree please attempt to make a raional argument as to why.
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Maybe you should be asking why we're in the position we're in. The answer is wholesale capitalism. Make products that require replacement so people continue to buy, use, dump in garbage, buy again.

Computers are one obvious example. Usually a memory upgrade is all that's required to keep a computer up to date but we throw out all the other components along with the cabinet, keyboard and mouse.

That is what makes jobs and it's an absurd philosophy/lifestyle resulting in a complete waste of resources and manpower. Little, if anything, is made today that is intended to last.

As for jobs society has to get past the idea everyone has to work. Known as the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic"]Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg" class="image"><img alt="Text document with red question mark.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg/40px-Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/a4/Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg/40px-Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg.png[/ame] everyone had to work because every job required an individual to do it. One could not be feeding the chickens while, simultaneously, doing the dishes. Of course, with dishwashers one is able to feed the chickens while the dishes are being washed. The same applies to vacuuming and washing the windows at the same time using an "iRobot". ( http://store.irobot.com/family/inde...Google+-+K70&gclid=COup-b7V16QCFYs65QodKlcoIg)

The point being technology has freed us from doing many jobs. Just as machines/robots assemble cars in the future robots will be doing other jobs. People will be required to do fewer and fewer jobs and that is all good. That is the purpose of advancement.

To make jobs just for the purpose of an individual working is sheer lunacy. It's like watching Burt Reynolds dig and refill the hole in the movie "The Longest Yard".
 
apple0154 said:
Maybe you should be asking why we're in the position we're in. The answer is wholesale capitalism. Make products that require replacement so people continue to buy, use, dump in garbage, buy again.

Computers are one obvious example. Usually a memory upgrade is all that's required to keep a computer up to date but we throw out all the other components along with the cabinet, keyboard and mouse.

That is what makes jobs and it's an absurd philosophy/lifestyle resulting in a complete waste of resources and manpower. Little, if anything, is made today that is intended to last.

As for jobs society has to get past the idea everyone has to work. Known as the Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia everyone had to work because every job required an individual to do it. One could not be feeding the chickens while, simultaneously, doing the dishes. Of course, with dishwashers one is able to feed the chickens while the dishes are being washed. The same applies to vacuuming and washing the windows at the same time using an "iRobot". ( http://store.irobot.com/family/inde...Google+-+K70&gclid=COup-b7V16QCFYs65QodKlcoIg)

The point being technology has freed us from doing many jobs. Just as machines/robots assemble cars in the future robots will be doing other jobs. People will be required to do fewer and fewer jobs and that is all good. That is the purpose of advancement.

To make jobs just for the purpose of an individual working is sheer lunacy. It's like watching Burt Reynolds dig and refill the hole in the movie "The Longest Yard".
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No. the problem is not capitalism it's general, it's globalization.

We would be fine if corporations weren't outsourcing as much as they possibly could.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. the problem is not capitalism it's general, it's globalization.

We would be fine if corporations weren't outsourcing as much as they possibly could.
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As others have said outsourcing is capitalism. It's making something as cheaply as possible and selling it as expensive as possible. That's capitalism.
 
AssHatZombie said:
No. It's capitalism COMBINED with globalization zealotry.
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AssHat, let's say you had a product for sale. Would you want the government telling you who has to make it? Wouldn't it be your own business who makes it?

You're not a Socialist, are you??????????????:eek3:
 
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