Egypt's Conflict Enters New Phase After Assaults

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Egypt's Conflict Enters New Phase After Assaults

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Egypt faced new uncertainty Thursday, the day after security forces drove out Mohammed Morsi's supporters from two sprawling encampments where they had been camped out for six weeks demanding the Islamist president's reinstatement. The move, which left hundreds of protesters dead and saw the arrest of several leaders of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, has left the fundamentalist movement dangerously isolated.

It also prompted Vice President Mohamed ElBaradei, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate and pro-reform leader in the interim government, to resign in protest over the violent crackdown as the military-backed leadership imposed a monthlong state of emergency and nighttime curfew.

WHY NOW?

The interim administration that took over after Morsi was toppled on July 3 has been warning for days that it planned to crackdown on the tent cities, which clogged intersections on opposite sides of the Egyptian capital. The government accused the protesters of frightening residents in the neighborhoods, sparking violence and disrupting traffic. Military chief Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, who ousted Morsi, called for mass rallies last month to show support for action against the protesters. Millions turned up on July 26 to declare their support. The government later said diplomatic efforts had failed and the decision to clear the sit-ins was "irreversible." Morsi's supporters fortified their positions and even more people flooded the camps after plans for a crackdown on Monday morning were leaked to the media. Police announced they were postponing the decision but did not give a new date.

WHAT LED TO THIS?

Morsi was Egypt's first democratically elected leader after winning the first post-Hosni Mubarak presidential election with just under 52 percent of the vote. His rise to the helm of power was a sharp reversal for the Muslim Brotherhood, repressed for decades under Mubarak's rule, and it was part of a general rise to power of Islamists following the Arab Spring wave of revolutions that led to the ouster of Mubarak and autocratic leaders in Tunisia and Libya.

But Morsi faced a backlash as liberal and secular activists accused him and the Brotherhood of trying to monopolize power and failing to implement much-needed social and economic reforms. Morsi and his backers argued they were doomed to fail because of constant protests and efforts to undermine his government. His government also drew criticism over a series of charges and complaints against activists, journalists and TV personalities, including well-known satirist Bassem Youssef, for insulting Morsi and even sometimes for insulting Islam.

An activist group called Tamarod, or Rebel in Arabic, drew millions to the streets to call for Morsi's ouster on June 30, the anniversary of his inauguration. The powerful military responded by taking Morsi into custody on July 3 and forming an interim civilian leadership.

WHAT ARE THE MAIN STICKING POINTS BLOCKING NEGOTIATIONS?

The Muslim Brotherhood, which rose to power and won a series of elections after Mubarak's ouster, backs Morsi and had vowed to maintain the protest camps until he was reinstated. The Islamists have rejected the military-backed political process, which calls for amending the constitution adopted last year and holding parliamentary and presidential elections early next year. International diplomatic efforts to promote reconciliation, including phone calls and visits by senior U.S. and European diplomats, have failed
The interim administration and liberal and secular activists who led the drive to oust Morsi say the move against Egypt's first democratically elected president was justified because he was abusing his power and the country needed a second chance at democracy. Authorities also have cracked down on Muslim Brotherhood leaders, detaining several key figures and accusing them of inciting violence.

WHAT IS THE U.S. POSITION?

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry joined other Western and mainly Muslim countries in condemning Wednesday the violence. He said it had dealt a "serious blow" to political reconciliation efforts and urged Egypt's interim leaders to take a step back and calm the situation. But Obama administration officials signaled no change in their policy toward Egypt. Washington has avoided declaring Morsi's ouster a coup, a move that would force the administration to suspend $1.3 billion in annual military aid to the nation. White House and State Department officials said the U.S. role was largely to encourage the interim government to fulfill its promises to enact political reform.

HAS THE VIOLENCE GENERATED ANY SYMPATHY FOR MORSI'S SUPPORTERS?

Most Egyptians are Muslim, but there is widespread antipathy toward the Muslim Brotherhood among moderates who feared Morsi and his allies were trying to impose a stricter version of Islamic law in the country. Still many object to the brutal crackdown and argue stability cannot be restored without participation of Islamists in the political process. ElBaradei's resignation was the first sign of a crack in the government's position. The former head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency was named only last month as interim President Adly Mansour's deputy for foreign relations. In his resignation letter, he wrote that he is not prepared to be held responsible for a "single drop of blood," and lamented that Egypt is more polarized than when he took office, according to a copy that was emailed to The Associated Press.

WHAT'S NEXT?

It's hard to tell. Several more Brotherhood leaders, including the powerful Mohammed el-Beltagy and Essam el-Erian, were arrested after security forces swept away the two protest camps and the movement may struggle to regroup as pro-Morsi protesters from the camp were scattered. The government has declared a state of emergency and imposed a nighttime curfew in a bid to stem the violence, but sporadic clashes continued through the evening. Anger over Morsi's ouster already has led to an increase in Islamic militant violence in the northern half of the Sinai Peninsula that borders Israel and the Gaza Strip, and growing anger over the crackdown and deaths of scores of civilians could be exploited by extremists to stoke low-level violence there and elsewhere in the country.
 
Defiant Muslim Brotherhood vows to 'bring down' military coup in Egypt, as protesters storm government buildings

A defiant Muslim Brotherhood declared Thursday it will not back down against a crackdown by Egypt's interim government, vowing to "bring down this military coup" as hundreds of protesters stormed and torched two government buildings in Giza, state television and witnesses say.

State television footage showed firefighters evacuating employees from the larger of the two offices in Giza, Cairo's twin city on the west bank of the Nile River. Police arrested several protesters.

Witnesses told Reuters that hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters also were marching in Alexandria to protest Wednesday's clashes between Egyptian security forces and Brotherhood demonstrators, which left more than 500 dead across the country.
Protesters were seen carrying pictures of former President Mohammed Morsi and those killed in the violence. A march in Cairo is slated for Thursday afternoon.

"We will push until we bring down this military coup," Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Gehad El-Haddad
wrote on Twitter, according to Reuters.

El-Haddad said early Thursday that the Muslim Brotherhood would remain "non-violent" in their demonstrations, but later took a different stance, saying that the group has been having a difficult time trying to persuade its members to be peaceful in the wake of Wednesday's bloodshed.

"After the blows and arrests and killings that we are facing emotions are too high to be guided by anyone,'" he told Reuters. "It's not about Morsi anymore. Are we going to accept a new military tyranny in Egypt or not?'"

El-Haddad added that Muslim Brotherhood currently can not account for the whereabouts of several of its leaders, calling it a "very strong blow," to the group.

The comments came shortly after the White House said President Barack Obama will make a statement to reporters Thursday morning on the deteriorating situation inside Egypt. The U.S. has not declared Morsi's ouster a coup, a move that would require the Obama administration to suspend $1.3 billion in annual military aid.

The death toll in Wednesday's violence, which stood at 525, according to the latest Health Ministry figures, made it by far the deadliest day since the 2011 popular uprising that toppled longtime ruler and autocrat Hosni Mubarak. The Health Ministry said Thursday that 3,717 people were wounded.

The casualties were mostly in Cairo, where police in riot gear bulldozed two protest camps that had been the flashpoint of growing unrest following Morsi's July 3 ouster.

Near the site of one of the smashed encampments in the eastern Nasr City suburb, an Associated Press reporter on Thursday saw dozens of blood-soaked bodies stored inside a mosque. The bodies were wrapped in sheets and still unclaimed by families.

Relatives at the scene were uncovering the faces in an attempt to identify their loved ones. Many complained that authorities were preventing them from obtaining permits to bury them.

Omar Houzien, a volunteer helping families search for their loved ones, said the bodies were brought in from the Medical Center at the sit-in camp site in the final hours of Wednesday's police sweep because of fears that they would be burned.

A notice plastered on the walled 265 names of those said to have been killed in Wednesday's violence at the sit-in. Funerals for identified victims were expected to take place later on Thursday.

Health Ministry spokesman Khaled el-Khateeb said 202 of the 525 were killed in the Nasr City protest camp, but it was not immediately clear whether the bodies at the mosque were included in that figure.

Cairo, a city of some 18 million people, was uncharacteristically quiet Thursday, with only a fraction of its usually hectic traffic and many stores and government offices shuttered. Many people hunkered down at home for fear of more violence. Banks and the stock market were closed.

Wednesday's violence prompted Interim President Adly Mansour to declare a month-long state of emergency and impose a 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew in the city, along with Alexandria, and 12 other provinces, ordering the armed forces to support the police in efforts to restore law and order and protect state facilities.

Backed by helicopters, police on Wednesday fired tear gas and used armored bulldozers to plow into the barricades at the two protest camps on opposite ends of Cairo. Morsi's supporters had been camped out since before he was ousted by a July 3 coup that followed days of mass protests by millions of Egyptians demanding that he step down.

The smaller camp — near Cairo University in Giza — was cleared of protesters relatively quickly, but it took about 12 hours for police to take control of the main sit-in site near the Rabaah al-Adawiya Mosque in Nasr City that has served as the epicenter of the pro-Morsi campaign and had drawn chanting throngs of men, women and children only days earlier.

After the police moved on the camps, street battles broke out in Cairo and other cities across Egypt. Government buildings and police stations were attacked, roads were blocked, and Christian churches were torched, Interior Minister Mohammed Ibrahim said.

At one point, protesters trapped a police Humvee on an overpass near the Nasr City camp and pushed it off, according to images posted on social networking sites that showed an injured policeman on the ground below, near a pool of blood and the overturned vehicle.

Three journalists were among the dead: Mick Deane, 61, a cameraman for British broadcaster Sky News; Habiba Ahmed Abd Elaziz, 26, a reporter for the Gulf News, a state-backed newspaper in the United Arab Emirates; and Ahmed Abdel Gawad, who wrote for Egypt's state-run newspaper Al Akhbar. Deane and Elaziz were shot to death, their employers said, while the Egyptian Press Syndicate, a journalists' union, said it had no information on how Gawad was killed.

Interim Prime Minister Hazem el-Beblawi said in a televised address to the nation that it was a "difficult day" and that he regretted the bloodshed, but offered no apologies for moving against the protesters, saying they were given ample warnings to leave and he had tried foreign mediation efforts.
El-Beblawi added that the government could not indefinitely tolerate a challenge to authority that the 6-week-old protests represented.

"We want to see a civilian state in Egypt, not a military state and not a religious state," he said.

Despite the curfew, sporadic clashes continued in Cairo through the evening.

In the city of Assiut, south of Cairo, a police station was hit by two mortar shells Wednesday night fired by suspected Morsi supporters, according to officers there who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters.

As the fighting intensified Wednesday, Mohamed ElBaradei abruptly resigned as Egypt's interim vice president. In a letter sent to Mansour, ElBaradei cited "decisions I do not agree with" regarding the government's crackdown.

"It has become difficult for me to continue bearing responsibility for decisions that I do not agree with and whose consequences I fear," ElBaradei wrote. "I cannot bear the responsibility for one drop of blood.''

The National Salvation Front, the main opposition group that he headed during Morsi's year in office, said it regretted his departure and complained that it was not consulted in his decision to step down.
Tamarod, the youth group behind the mass anti-Morsi protests that preceded the coup, said ElBaradei was dodging his responsibility at a time when his services were needed.

On Thursday, Reuters reported that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had called for the United Nations Security Council to convene quickly to discuss the crisis.

Speaking at a press conference in Turkey's capital, Ankara, Erdogan said "Those who remain silent in the face of this


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/0...pt-to-clear-pro-morsi-protests/#ixzz2c36eQMKA

( I don't see a foreign affairs forum, so I posted this here )
 
There is no doubt the EMB would seize the gov't by force if it could.

There is no doubt the "peaceful protestors" wanted this confrontation, and were stockpiling arms (rifles in coffins i.e. )

There is no doubt the interim gov't, and the military could not tolerate this forever.

There is much doubt about the sweeps over-reach; I tend to think it had to be done; in that just clearing Cairo would not wreck the MB's
ability to cause mayhem.

All we can do is waht we are doing, just stay the course, as much as I hate that expression.

This is Eqypt's problem -how to co-exist with radical Islam, and secular Islam
 
I am sure it is all Bush's fault. Or was there a movie somewhere that started it all? Could be anything. What we know for sure is that no way, no how is Obama responsible. He is probably getting in a good game of Spades
 
I am sure it is all Bush's fault. Or was there a movie somewhere that started it all? Could be anything. What we know for sure is that no way, no how is Obama responsible. He is probably getting in a good game of Spades
this time the "video didn't do it" (bengazi)
It's their very own cluster.
 
President Barack Obama strongly condemned Egypt’s interim government Thursday, saying the United States was canceling a planned joint military operation in protest over violent clashes that left at least 638 dead.

Obama called on Egypt’s interim government, which took power after the July 3 military ouster of elected president Mohammed Morsi, to cancel a month-long state of emergency imposed after Wednesday's bloodshed.
"We deplore violence against civilians," he told reporters in Martha's Vineyard, where he is on a working vacation.

“Let me say that the Egyptian people deserve better than what we've seen over the last several days,” Obama said. “And to the Egyptian people, let me say the cycle of violence and escalation needs to stop.”

“America cannot determine the future of Egypt. That’s a task for the Egyptian people. We don’t take sides with any particular party or political figure. I know it’s tempting inside of Egypt to blame the United States or the West or some other outside actor for what’s gone wrong,” the president said on Thursday. “We want Egypt to succeed. We want a peaceful, democratic, prosperous Egypt. That’s our interest. But to achieve that, the Egyptians are going to have to do the work.”

His plea did not immediately appear to be heeded in Cairo, where Egypt's interior ministry said it had authorized security forces to fire at any Morsi supporters who were involved in attacks on churches or government buildings
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...violence-cancels-joint-military-exercise?lite

cancel the exercises, and SHUT UP. How dare he tell Egypt to run it's own security!! Freaking dillwad on foreign policy.
 
We’ve seen a more dangerous path taken, through arbitrary arrests, a broad crackdown on Mr. Morsi's associations and supporters and now, tragically, violence that's taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands more,” Obama said.
digging a deeper hole with his mouth.

Nothing "arbitrary" about going after ARMED PROTESTORS -who camp out for 6WEEKS???

STFU. Let Egypt govern itself.
 
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