Education in the ghetto :American Dilemma.

bravo said:
Well, before I get nasty with a poster and pre-judge what he says ( in a not so delicate manner) I need more information....

You had quite a dialog going and never even attempted to address his concerns...I can sympathize with his inability to articulate such a uncomfortable and delicate topic...
It was just so obvious he would be branded a racist for even attempting to start a discussion on this topic....
But before we hang the dude....what if hes making a valid point....just suppose.....

How would you approach this so very hot topic in a non-racist sounding manner... or is ignoring it a better approach, or denying a problem of any kind exists.?
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You see, what i did was read some other posts first, make a judgement and then treat each proceeding post in light of that judgement.

Maybe you'd want to try that sometime? Then come back and say that this is a chap just trying to make a point rather than being a blatantly racist fuckwit.

Honestly, i'd expect better from you.
 
charver said:
You see, what i did was read some other posts first, make a judgement and then treat each proceeding post in light of that judgement.

Maybe you'd want to try that sometime? Then come back and say that this is a chap just trying to make a point rather than being a blatantly racist fuckwit.

Honestly, i'd expect better from you.
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Of course I see your point....you were more familiar with this poster than I ......and I agree....

Now lets forget him and his claims.........how about addressing my posts....I'm not afraid of the subject....

Its certainly obvious that most posters will run like hell away from topics like this....the fear of being called or labeled a racist even by perfect strangers that will never ever meet is bizarre ......even if the label is unjust and unearned...
Not being familiar with the social norms in the UK, I've asked you a few questions on this touchy subject.....you can lie, I wouldn't know it if you did....
 
Hah....After reading some of the shit he posted on another thread, that dude is a racist.....thats why he sounds like a racist.....
 
bravo said:
Hah....After reading some of the shit he posted on another thread, that dude is a racist.....thats why he sounds like a racist.....
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I'm not a racist ,but i understand why you would think so. I look at race the way a biologist studies the 25 different types of beatles in the world;in order to understand their evolution and their differences. Race shows the history of man.

I firmly believe that race is the greatest determinant in understanding history and the best predictor of future events. I see myself as a racialist ,something a little different.
 
bravo said:
Funny funny and very interesting thread so far, Charver....

But lets try talking about the issue....



Do you think these statements are not factual ?....Just racist crap, perhaps...?

Well, thats one view, of course.....

Now suppose the statements are factual.....what them....?
Does saying it out loud make you a racist....?
Does exposing the alleged truth make one a racist ?
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If we're seriously going to talk about the issue, then somebody should post some legitimate stats backing up those claims to give us a jumping-off point.
 
wolfspinne said:
I'm not a racist ,but i understand why you would think so. I look at race the way a biologist studies the 25 different types of beatles in the world;in order to understand their evolution and their differences. Race shows the history of man.

I firmly believe that race is the greatest determinant in understanding history and the best predictor of future events. I see myself as a racialist ,something a little different.
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By any chance would you be Charles Murray of The Bell Curve notoriety?
 
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You said educating black children is a futile endeavor, and yet, you claim that you are not racist. Right.

No offense friend, but I don't think you're in any position to determine who is unteachable.

What I love about people like you is how it unites the left and the right - decent people from both sides of the spectrum who stand together against bigotry. So, by all means, continue.
 
King of Gods said:
You said educating black children is a futile endeavor, and yet, you claim that you are not racist. Right.

No offense friend, but I don't think you're in any position to determine who is unteachable.

What I love about people like you is how it unites the left and the right - decent people from both sides of the spectrum who stand together against bigotry. So, by all means, continue.
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I would say the same thing about you if the government spent billions trying to teach you how to read and do math and all it achieved were negative results . But then again ,I just may have to include you in the future. so please continue.
 
wolfspinne said:
I would say the same thing about you if the government spent billions trying to teach you how to read and do math and all it achieved were negative results . But then again ,I just may have to include you in the future. so please continue.
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The disproportionately poor performance amongst black students has nothing to do with race. The problem boils down to the cultural breakdown of African American communities (gangs, fatherless children, etc.) combined with the unintended consequences of liberal education policies. Rather than preparing them to succeed in a competitive workforce, they are taught that they are a victim.

Do you actually believe black people are less intelligent than whites? If so, are you prepared to offer scientific evidence?
 
King of Gods said:
The disproportionately poor performance amongst black students has nothing to do with race. The problem boils down to the cultural breakdown of African American communities (gangs, fatherless children, etc.) combined with the unintended consequences of liberal education policies. Rather than preparing them to succeed in a competitive workforce, they are taught that they are a victim.

Do you actually believe black people are less intelligent than whites? If so, are you prepared to offer scientific evidence?
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I know that a few very smart biologists such as ,James D. Watson have researched the qustion and believe they have found indications that blacks are less intelligent.

James is a nobel prize winner and other naturalists as well have studied the issue.

What I'm trying to do is to get people to reexamine the definition of race .and in so doing come to a better plan than simply throwing money at a group of people who cannot benefit

from simple financial solutions.
 
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