Dont blame Bush, that was a year and a half ago...!

Jarod

Jarod

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What a dumb argument.

You dont believe that someone who was president for 8 years can have an effect that lasts more than 1.5 years?

We are all still suffering daily for the incompetance of GWB and to pretend its President Obamas fault is disengenous.

If you cons want to continue living in fantasy land go do Disney World!

The Cap of damages to Oil Companies was passed when Papa Bush was president! Even he has some blame in this mess! That was 17.5 years ago!
 
When does the buck stop at Obama? Year 3, year 4 cause we are in year too and need leadership not finger pointing. This is why his negative is 69%, he needs to be proactive not reactive and blame shifting.
 
Topspin said:
When does the buck stop at Obama? Year 3, year 4 cause we are in year too and need leadership not finger pointing. This is why his negative is 69%, he needs to be proactive not reactive and blame shifting.
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It does not work that way, (sorry its not as simple as you want it to be) the buck stops when the issues we are talking about are President Obama's fault and not Bush's.

So if you are saying that President Obama resonded poorly to the spill, regarding his specific actions after the spill, you can blame him. But remember oil policy has been to allow this riskey drilling for many years leading up to the spill, not something that changes in 1.5 years.

The reason a few of us were against it was because once a spill occures its almost impossable to stop it.

If you want to look into the factors that led to this spill, there are plenty of people to blame, President Obama is far down the list in my book.

If you are talking about the shitty economy, that is mostly due to Bush's poor fiscal policy. President Obama in my book gets praise for having turned it around in a sensable and sustainable way!
 
your on the wrong side
69% rate Obama as negative and so do I
blaming your predecessor is not leadership and Obama has shown next to none on this issue.
 
Topspin said:
your on the wrong side
69% rate Obama as negative and so do I
blaming your predecessor is not leadership and Obama has shown next to none on this issue.
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Just because a majority says something does not make it correct, false argument.
 
BTW, I have not seen President Obama blame Bush for this. Do you have a cite, or just somethign else you shit out of your ass because you want it to be true....??


Why the rage against President Obama and not BP's constant decete and lies?
 
The dumb argument comes from the side who says pointing out the ineffective ACTION of the current administration is "wrong" yet who are still trying to say "Bush's Fault"...

The poor response is not even one iota Bush's fault, that's all your man.

Total incapacity to understand what the government's responsibility may be, where it can help, inability to act, only showing "outrage" and ready to "kick ass" sixty days after the disaster began, trying to foist off responsibility for their inability to make even some headway in cleaning it up on Bush...
 
A couple things. I have been a strong Obama supporter all along. What I find funny is Bush didn't deserve the load he had to carry from Katrina, but by the same token Obama now has his own load.
I'm waiting on him to bail out Louisiana.
 
Topspin said:
A couple things. I have been a strong Obama supporter all along. What I find funny is Bush didn't deserve the load he had to carry from Katrina, but by the same token Obama now has his own load.
I'm waiting on him to bail out Louisiana.
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He'll have to bail out all the gulf states, but many of them have R Governors... It must put him in quite a quandary.
 
I like Obama that's not a secret, and want him to win in 12.
I think it's comicle dems don't see the hypocracy in saying MMS was cozy for a decade. Which just happens to coincide with Bush getting in office. Were they dillegent under Clinton? It was a major Gaff and he's paying for it in the polls.
He didn admit that he didn't change it quick enough, though he said it with the tone of a kid caught running in the house. I was running but I wasn't really running.
 
Jarod said:
What a dumb argument.

You dont believe that someone who was president for 8 years can have an effect that lasts more than 1.5 years?

We are all still suffering daily for the incompetance of GWB and to pretend its President Obamas fault is disengenous.

If you cons want to continue living in fantasy land go do Disney World!

The Cap of damages to Oil Companies was passed when Papa Bush was president! Even he has some blame in this mess! That was 17.5 years ago!
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You need to quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. He is seriously messing with how you think.

First of all this not some zero sum political game where Obama gets X percent and Bush gets Y percent.

It's about leadership. That's what we look for when we elect a President. Whether Obama and his administration helped caused the spill or not is another argument. The spill has occurred and he is President and people are looking to him now to lead.

For you to cry he shouldn't have to lead because it wasn't his fault means we elected the wrong person because you feel he is not up to the job.
 
cawacko said:
You need to quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. He is seriously messing with how you think.

First of all this not some zero sum political game where Obama gets X percent and Bush gets Y percent.

It's about leadership. That's what we look for when we elect a President. Whether Obama and his administration helped caused the spill or not is another argument. The spill has occurred and he is President and people are looking to him now to lead.

For you to cry he shouldn't have to lead because it wasn't his fault means we elected the wrong person because you feel he is not up to the job.
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Kudo's:good4u:
 
Topspin said:
I like Obama that's not a secret, and want him to win in 12.
I think it's comicle dems don't see the hypocracy in saying MMS was cozy for a decade. Which just happens to coincide with Bush getting in office. Were they dillegent under Clinton? It was a major Gaff and he's paying for it in the polls.
He didn admit that he didn't change it quick enough, though he said it with the tone of a kid caught running in the house. I was running but I wasn't really running.
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Imagine when they start running the ads about how "safe" he said it was just before the "accident" in the Gulf on that platform.
 
Jarod said:
BTW, I have not seen President Obama blame Bush for this. Do you have a cite, or just somethign else you shit out of your ass because you want it to be true....??


Why the rage against President Obama and not BP's constant decete and lies?
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Damocles said:
The dumb argument comes from the side who says pointing out the ineffective ACTION of the current administration is "wrong" yet who are still trying to say "Bush's Fault"...

The poor response is not even one iota Bush's fault, that's all your man.

Total incapacity to understand what the government's responsibility may be, where it can help, inability to act, only showing "outrage" and ready to "kick ass" sixty days after the disaster began, trying to foist off responsibility for their inability to make even some headway in cleaning it up on Bush...
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If all you are talking about is the responce, you are correct Bush cant be blamed and President Obama has not done so, dispite what you want to pretend.

Your inability to cite any examples of the poor responce is very telling to the critical observer.
 
cawacko said:
You need to quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. He is seriously messing with how you think.

First of all this not some zero sum political game where Obama gets X percent and Bush gets Y percent.

It's about leadership. That's what we look for when we elect a President. Whether Obama and his administration helped caused the spill or not is another argument. The spill has occurred and he is President and people are looking to him now to lead.

For you to cry he shouldn't have to lead because it wasn't his fault means we elected the wrong person because you feel he is not up to the job.
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You are misunderstanding what I am saying.

I was against offshore oil drilling because once this type of problem occures, there is nuthing much anyone, including President Obama can do about it. He has shown great leadership on this issue to anyone who is willing to look objectivly....
 
Jarod said:
You are misunderstanding what I am saying.

I was against offshore oil drilling because once this type of problem occures, there is nuthing much anyone, including President Obama can do about it. He has shown great leadership on this issue to anyone who is willing to look objectivly....
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Really? Maybe he has but you can find plenty of people on the left and the center who would argue against you.

And based on your recent posts to suggest you are looking at anything objectively is quite a stretch.
 
Jarod said:
If all you are talking about is the responce, you are correct Bush cant be blamed and President Obama has not done so, dispite what you want to pretend.

Your inability to cite any examples of the poor responce is very telling to the critical observer.
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You need to pay closer attention. There have been reasons cited on his poor leadership in response to this crisis.

It took how long for him to give the order to evacuate the EPA requirement in this case so as to employ the use of the Dutch arms?
 
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