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96% of Crimeans with an 80% turnout voted to join Russia? Ridiculous! Only 60% of Crimeans are even ethnic Russian, this would require ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tartars to be voting in droves for separation as well.

It's time for war.
 
96% of Crimeans with an 80% turnout voted to join Russia? Ridiculous! Only 60% of Crimeans are even ethnic Russian, this would require ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tartars to be voting in droves for separation as well.

It's time for war.

They probably used the liberal platform and allowed the dead to vote.
 
You keep saying that; but you haven't been real specific on what this loss of mine is supposed to have been.


It's almost as though he was watching you and had noted your pig-headed refusal to be specific regarding what this lie maineman has supposedly told.
 
96% of Crimeans with an 80% turnout voted to join Russia? Ridiculous! Only 60% of Crimeans are even ethnic Russian, this would require ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tartars to be voting in droves for separation as well.

It's time for war.
Bullshit. It's time for tolerance, diversity and acceptance.

-- The Left
 
96% of Crimeans with an 80% turnout voted to join Russia? Ridiculous! Only 60% of Crimeans are even ethnic Russian, this would require ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tartars to be voting in droves for separation as well.

It's time for war.

Your analogy is spot on; but the ONLY ones who can call for war are the Ukranians themselves. And then it would be a bloodbath which would turn Russian public opinion against Comrade Putin. Perhaps that would force Russians to withdraw.

So the question for Ukranians is this; is liberty worth a bloodbath? The question for the West; would we then have the spine to defend liberty?

I think the answer to these questions are painfully obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells.
 
It's time for war!!!! LOL

Tell me o' great 8th grade thinker, how? We gonna send in the French? Hows about we just fire a few nukes.


This is the only thing we can do...

From the start, the United States has mobilized the international community in support of Ukraine to isolate Russia for its actions and to reassure our allies and partners. We saw this international unity again over the weekend, when Russia stood alone in the U.N. Security Council defending its actions in Crimea. And as I told President Putin yesterday, the referendum in Crimea was a clear violation of Ukrainian constitutions and international law, and it will not be recognized by the international community.

Today, I’m announcing a series of measures that will continue to increase the cost on Russia and on those responsible for what is happening in Ukraine. First, as authorized by the executive order I signed two weeks ago, we are imposing sanctions on specific individuals responsible for undermining the sovereignty, territorial integrity and government of Ukraine. We’re making it clear that there are consequences for their actions...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/w...ent-on-new-sanctions-against-russia.html?_r=0
 
So the question for Ukranians is this; is liberty worth a bloodbath? The question for the West; would we then have the spine to defend liberty?

I think the answer to these questions are painfully obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells.
most obvious. everybody is too afraid of liberty, so no it will not be defended
 
Your analogy is spot on; but the ONLY ones who can call for war are the Ukranians themselves. And then it would be a bloodbath which would turn Russian public opinion against Comrade Putin. Perhaps that would force Russians to withdraw.

So the question for Ukranians is this; is liberty worth a bloodbath? The question for the West; would we then have the spine to defend liberty?

I think the answer to these questions are painfully obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells.

I would not doubt it if a majority of Crimeans favored union with Russia. Pre-crisis polls indicated a bare majority in favor, and the deposing of a government friendly towards Russian speaking Ukrainians and ethnic Russians in favor of a Ukrainian nationalist (which includes some practically neo-fascist elements) one obviously would have inflamed things significantly. But 96% for in among those who voted, and a full 80% among all registered voters? Come on, they're spitting in our face.

Normally, I would be in favor of the right to self-determination. However, I think they are moving too fast, they should wait a few years and try to negotiate with the legitimate government in Ukraine over the issue first, perhaps let tensions cool somewhat, before going down the path of a unilateral DoI. Any referendum, unilateral or with the approval of the Ukrainian government, should be declared at least a few months (preferably more than a year) in advance to give time for discussion, should not have armed men at present at the polling station, and should be observed by international authorities for fairness. And they should not rely on a strong third party country to bully Ukraine in the process.

Any result like the current one, that claims that 80% of people in the area voted for accession to Russia should just be rejected out of hand. Again, even if 100% of ethnic Russians voted for accession to Russia (which shouldn't be the case, there are many ethnic Russians happy to be part of Ukraine), that would only be 58%. I suppose it's not entirely unthinkable that some sizable minority of ethnic Ukrainians (24% of the population), especially the Russian speaking portion, would vote for it as well. But even if half voted wanted it (and I seriously doubt that would be the case, certainly no more), that would only get you 58% + 12% = 70% of all Crimeans. The only other signifigant minority, the Crimean Tartars, hate Russia, and almost all of their 12% of the population can be expected to abstain or vote against. A result like 80% would require that a full 100% of both ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians support joining Russia, or some ridiculous supermajority of Ukrainians in combination with a large minority of Crimean Tartars (even if a bare majority, 51% majority of Crimean tartars supported the referendum, which is even more implausible than 51% of Ukrainians joining in, it would require an absurdly implausible 75% of ethnic Ukrainians as well to join in as well to reach 80% total).
 
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You have to wonder WTF the message is we're sending out.

We get behind a democracy movement in Egypt. They get elections, we don't like the results, so we get behind a counter-coup.

We get behind a movement in Ukraine to remove a democratically elected government, then oppose a democratic secession in the Crimea.

So what exactly the message we're trying to transmit? "Don't do as we do. Do as we say"?
 
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