Death of Liberalism: Obama as a Sell-Out

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The problem is that the corporate media has pretty much got them thinking that tax-cuts for the rich will feed their families. (WTF?!!)

This is a very important interview that pretty much sums up what is happening in our country and the people who call themselves "Liberal". The very idea of a right-wing press complaining about the "liberal media" is a complete absurdity and there are very few exceptions.

He does not say it directly, but we are really in a condition of Neo-Fascism. (See a definition of "fascism at the bottom of this blog.)

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Norman Mailer complained a couple decades ago about "nascent Fascism," and he was right, only now it is reborn, a veritable Renaissance of fascism mixed with mass stupidity.

Fascism, after all, is a ruling system wherein the governmental, military, and corporate forces are merged so closely that it is difficult to tell where one leaves of and the other begins. How can we expect, for example, the media, owned by the corporate powers, to criticize the government, owned by the corporate powers? Or how expect the government to regulate the use of public airwaves for the "good of the people" when the government is owned by the same people who own the broadcast stations?

Now, why is there then so much criticism of Obama when corporate Amerika has benefited so much from him? Well, he has served his purpose and is being encouraged to be even more servile.

For example, are we really expected to believe that 95% of voters are in favor of massive tax cuts for people who make, individually, over a quarter of a million dollars? Well, the answer is "Yes, you bloody well believe it or 'steps will be taken'". After all, whose side do you think the major media is on?

By Chris Hedges

Obama will sell out the liberals, middle class, and the poor too! signal

Obama to cut heat subsidies for poor

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/11/news/economy/obama_heating_cuts/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

Obama to cut $100 billion from college student Pell Grants over decade??!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110213/...ma_pell_grants

Chris Hedges: Obama is a "Poster Child for the Death of the Liberal Class" (Well Duh???)

The compromise tax-cut deal that President Obama signed into law in December has angered many of his supporters. In his new book, Death of the Liberal Class, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author Chris Hedges argues that the failure of President Obama to represent the interests of his supporters is just another example of a quickly dying liberal class. In the book, Hedges explains how the five pillars of the liberal classthe press, universities, unions, liberal churches and the Democratic Partyhave become corrupt.
 
I think this fact is pretty obvious given the turn out in the last congressional elections. Obama's supporters stayed home in mass. Granted Obama has had to deal with one great big shit hole of a mess he inherited but in the last two years there have been just to many times where he has either sold out or betrayed the interest of his supporters. I mean shit, if I had wanted a right of center conservative for President I would have voted for McCain. I voted for a left of center moderate and Obama had better figure out real quick that he's alienating his base or he'll be a one termer for sure. Right now if the Republicans nominate a wingnut and Obama continues to concede his supporters interest to the right wing then I'll probably sit this one out.
 
Obama is not only selling out the people who supported him, he is selling out the most vulnerable citizens in this economic disaster. Tax cuts for the rich, cuts for the poor. It is unconscionable. We keep hearing 'the worst thing you can do in a deep recession is raise taxes'...NO Mr president, the worst thing you can do in a deep recession is cut off heat to the poor and programs that help the most vulnerable among us.

If this is a political move, you are pandering to people who will NEVER vote for you...NEVER.
 
To me, the President of the United States of America is just that - President to all of the states, and all of the people. Just as I didn't want Bush to just be President for the right, I don't have a problem with Obama not just being President of the left.

You can say, well, why should someone on the left vote for him then? The answer is that the overall philosophy behind the choices and some of the priorities come from a more progressive stance, and there are dozens of examples of that in Obama's budgets & initiatives since he was elected.

But overall, he is not just out there pushing a liberal agenda. And as for budget cuts, he's making some tough choices that I didn't think he would make - and that's a welcome surprise...
 
To me, the President of the United States of America is just that - President to all of the states, and all of the people. Just as I didn't want Bush to just be President for the right, I don't have a problem with Obama not just being President of the left.

You can say, well, why should someone on the left vote for him then? The answer is that the overall philosophy behind the choices and some of the priorities come from a more progressive stance, and there are dozens of examples of that in Obama's budgets & initiatives since he was elected.

But overall, he is not just out there pushing a liberal agenda. And as for budget cuts, he's making some tough choices that I didn't think he would make - and that's a welcome surprise...

No, the President of the United States has the obligation to do what is right, regardless of political interests. If cutting off the poor is the catering to people on the right, then those people don't deserve consideration, they should be ignored.

If Jack, Bob or Ted Kennedy were here today, they would take Obama apart for this.

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

"There are people in the world so hungry that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread."
Mahatma Gandhi
 
No, the President of the United States has the obligation to do what is right, regardless of political interests. If cutting off the poor is the catering to people on the right, then those people don't deserve consideration, they should be ignored.

If Jack, Bob or Ted Kennedy were here today, they would take Obama apart for this.

"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

"There are people in the world so hungry that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread."
Mahatma Gandhi

I don't think a lot of people really understand what's going on right now. Unless America gets its fiscal house in order, we're looking at cuts to a lot more than heating aid.

That's one thing I think a lot of those on the left don't get. There will be a lot more suffering down the line if the fiscal situation deteriorates further.
 
I don't think a lot of people really understand what's going on right now. Unless America gets its fiscal house in order, we're looking at cuts to a lot more than heating aid.

That's one thing I think a lot of those on the left don't get. There will be a lot more suffering down the line if the fiscal situation deteriorates further.

That's bullshit. The right has made the debt an Armageddon issue. It's not. In relation to GDP, the public debt is only a bit over half of what it was in 1946. It is something that will need to be addressed, but it is not Armageddon.

Read this... http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/11/galbraith_deficit_hawks/index.html

During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs that helped people. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”
 
To me, the President of the United States of America is just that - President to all of the states, and all of the people. Just as I didn't want Bush to just be President for the right, I don't have a problem with Obama not just being President of the left.

You can say, well, why should someone on the left vote for him then? The answer is that the overall philosophy behind the choices and some of the priorities come from a more progressive stance, and there are dozens of examples of that in Obama's budgets & initiatives since he was elected.

But overall, he is not just out there pushing a liberal agenda. And as for budget cuts, he's making some tough choices that I didn't think he would make - and that's a welcome surprise...

Now you've got me scratching my head....I don't know if you're actually developing a more open mind or just rationalizing Obamas attempt to do the right thing rather than push a radical socialist agenda....

Gitmo is open for business, tax cuts extended, still fighting in Afghan. and pulled troops out of Iraq just like Bush negotiated, extended TARP....even I could justify voting for him a the lesser of two evils in 2012....unlikely, but possible....


I don't think a lot of people really understand what's going on right now. Unless America gets its fiscal house in order, we're looking at cuts to a lot more than heating aid.

That's one thing I think a lot of those on the left don't get. There will be a lot more suffering down the line if the fiscal situation deteriorates further.

I see you speaking directly to your liberal buddies here..."a lot of people really understand what's going on right now", though you make it pretty clean in you next statement..." a lot of those on the left don't get"...

Damn....there may be hope you yet if you stick to discussing the issues and get over your love affair with yurt....
I'm impressed...
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That's bullshit. The right has made the debt an Armageddon issue. It's not. In relation to GDP, the public debt is only a bit over half of what it was in 1946. It is something that will need to be addressed, but it is not Armageddon.

The ENTIRE GDP of the United States isn't enough to cover the debt you asshole and you think its not a defining issue....for all practicable purposes we are already bankrupt.....pinhead.:palm:


Read this... http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/11/galbraith_deficit_hawks/index.html

During the Great Depression conservatives raised objections to F.D.R.’s programs that helped people. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”
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No, the President of the United States has the obligation to do what is right, regardless of political interests. If cutting off the poor is the catering to people on the right, then those people don't deserve consideration, they should be ignored.

If Jack, Bob or Ted Kennedy were here today, they would take Obama apart for this.

Jack would have traded Bob and Ted in and called GW his brother.
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"Harry Truman once said, 'There are 14 or 15 million Americans who have the resources to have representatives in Washington to protect their interests, and that the interests of the great mass of the other people - the 150 or 160 million - is the responsibility of the president of the United States, and I propose to fulfill it.'"
President John F. Kennedy

"There are people in the world so hungry that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread."
Mahatma Gandhi
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The only thing bankrupt in America today is the morally bankrupt right.

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The only thing bankrupt in America today is the morally bankrupt right.

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You really didn't have to prove me right....we already knew that....

The GDP of the country is about equal to the debt....we are bankrupt.:)
 
Its not the death of liberalism...

Its the pragmatic reality of electoral politics. Progress comes slowly with conservatives kicking and screaming...
 
You really didn't have to prove me right....we already knew that....

The GDP of the country is about equal to the debt....we are bankrupt.:)

Then America should have ended in the early 1940's...

The public debt represents U.S. Treasury securities held by institutions or individuals outside the United States Government

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You really didn't have to prove me right....we already knew that....

The GDP of the country is about equal to the debt....we are bankrupt.:)

thats not technically accurate. you can have a debt ratio that exceeds gdp and not be bankrupt, so long as we pay the bills. and really........i'm fairly certain it is not constitutionally possible for the US to go bankrupt.
 
thats not technically accurate. you can have a debt ratio that exceeds gdp and not be bankrupt, so long as we pay the bills. and really........i'm fairly certain it is not constitutionally possible for the US to go bankrupt.
So the Constitution gets flushed down the toilet along with our 401Ks and savings......
 
thats not technically accurate. you can have a debt ratio that exceeds gdp and not be bankrupt, so long as we pay the bills. and really........i'm fairly certain it is not constitutionally possible for the US to go bankrupt.
Are you into comedy now? Not constitutionally possible ???

Maybe you think its 'not constitutionally possible' to rob a bank, either....

Bankruptcy, like robbery, is a matter of reality, not the Constitution....
 
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