danish health care

[Don Quixote]

is a combination of public funding and private doctors

a friend was there recently (a doctor) who declared it the best run health care system in the world...and all tax payer paid

why does no one talk about this plan but always talk about canada's

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Remember, when you're talking to a rightie, the only other healthcare system in the world is Canada's. Canada's system is, BTW, superior to ours in every respect, but I'll let that slide. The Danish system is just icing on the cake. We pay for the best healthcare in the world, we get some of the shittiest healthcare in the world. Health reform, helping the uninsured, and the public option is common sense, and anyone who disagrees needs to be checked for mental disorders.

They talk about rationing - well, America does ration it's healthcare. Except, instead of basing our rationing on need or some other rational factor, we ration based on wealth. And it's sickening and immoral.

 

[charver]

The Danes are willing to pay significant rates of tax in order to fund their welfare system.

That is why the Danish system would never work in the US.

 

[Don Quixote]

The Danes are willing to pay significant rates of tax in order to fund their welfare system.

That is why the Danish system would never work in the US.

my point was that it is an excellent health care system run by a government and it costs less than our health 'system'

but then denmark is a small nation and more densely populated

 

[charver]

my point was that it is an excellent health care system run by a government and it costs less than our health 'system'

but then denmark is a small nation and more densely populated

Sorry, DQ, i keep forgetting that the necessity and desirability of government involvement in providing basic healthcare isn't just taken as red in the US.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The Danes are willing to pay significant rates of tax in order to fund their welfare system.

That is why the Danish system would never work in the US.

The Danish government is more than double the percentage of it's economy as compared to the US. But it's fallacious to say that that's BECAUSE of the health part of their system without knowing the total cost of healthcare per a capita. I am reasonably certain that their government healthcare costs per a capita aren't much higher than ours, if they are higher at all.

 

[charver]

The Danish government is more than double the percentage of it's economy as compared to the US. But it's fallacious to say that that's BECAUSE of the health part of their system without knowing the total cost of healthcare per a capita. I am reasonably certain that their government healthcare costs per a capita aren't much higher than ours, if they are higher at all.

Good job i didn't say that then isn't it?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Good job i didn't say that then isn't it?

I meant "it would be", in a response to the obvious response a mindless conservative (they're all the same) would give in response to your statement.

 

[charver]

I meant "it would be", in a response to the obvious response a mindless conservative (they're all the same) would give in response to your statement.

I'm sure one will be along shortly.

I generally don't like 'health debates' as they always tend to go down the road of comparing the US with UK and Canada, as DQ says, and end up with lots of people shouting "SOCIALISM" or "COMMUNISM" for what seems like days on end.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I'm sure one will be along shortly.

I generally don't like 'health debates' as they always tend to go down the road of comparing the US with UK and Canada, as DQ says, and end up with lots of people shouting "SOCIALISM" or "COMMUNISM" for what seems like days on end.

When righties say that universal healthcare is socialism, IMHO, they are doing socialism a massive complement. They are essentially saying socialism = common sense. Not even I'd go that far in praise of socialism, but righties can outdo me in a lot of areas, such as stupidity, herd instinct, level of froth in mouth that hurting others produces, immorality, cowardice, impotence... and not much else. Well, I guess I'm going to have to revise the "a lot of areas" descriptor.

 

[charver]

When righties say that universal healthcare is socialism, IMHO, they are doing socialism a massive complement. They are essentially saying socialism = common sense. Not even I'd go that far in praise of socialism, but righties can outdo me in a lot of areas, such as stupidity, herd instinct, level of froth in mouth that hurting others produces, immorality, cowardice, impotence... and not much else. Well, I guess I'm going to have to revise the "a lot of areas" descriptor.

You know, i'm sure the stork took a wrong turning somewhere over the Atlantic when he delivered you to Mississippi.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

is a combination of public funding and private doctors

a friend was there recently (a doctor) who declared it the best run health care system in the world...and all tax payer paid

why does no one talk about this plan but always talk about canada's

The reason no one mentions the Danish health care system, is because it is irrelevant to the discussion. Denmark is a very small Scandinavian country, with a population of around 5 million. About 90% of the population is Danish, the other 10% are an assortment of Greeks, Germans, Brits, etc. They have a very small number of true immigrants, and virtually no illegal immigrants. This means, most of the people of Denmark know each other, are familiar with each others families, and they live in small, tight-knit communities, for the most part. With the exception of Copenhagen, the country is largely rural. It's also very cold in Denmark, there is not as much 'hustle and bustle' going on, people tend to stay at home.

Comparing ANYTHING from Denmark with that of the US, is like comparing Mayberry to New York. Can you comprehend the silliness of such comparisons? Systems which may work efficiently and sufficiently for a small town, are wholly inadequate for a large metropolitan city. Cooperative arrangements which work well among friends and neighbors, don't always translate to large diverse groups of total strangers. It is simple human nature, and a matter of trust between people, but small communities tend to be more personally responsible.

Here is a good example of what I mean... My family moved to a small rural town when I was 10 years old, and basically, everyone knew each other. Our town had a Community Center. This building was free for the citizens to use at any time, it always remained unlocked and available for wedding receptions and meetings, and the only obligation was to clean up after yourself when you were done. Now this arrangement worked in a small town, with a small group of people who knew and trusted one another.... but such a facility was impossible to have in a large metropolitan city, vandals would have seen to that.

Much is the same with regard to nationalized health care. IF we lived in a country where 90% of us were locals who knew and trusted each other, a nationalized system may work, especially if our populous were small and isolated due to the cold climate. But that is not what we have in America. Instead of 5 million with 90% natives, we are 300 million, with less than 2% natives. Instead of living in a culture where we may travel 30 miles in our lifetime, we live in a hustle-bustle society constantly on the move and on the go. It is because of this stark difference in culture, population, and condition, that comparisons are irrelevant.

 

[Whomever]

The reason no one mentions the Danish health care system, is because it is irrelevant to the discussion.
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:lmao:

my version.

I love a good danish with a good cup of coffee.

 

[Jarod]

Remember, when you're talking to a rightie, the only other healthcare system in the world is Canada's. Canada's system is, BTW, superior to ours in every respect, but I'll let that slide. The Danish system is just icing on the cake. We pay for the best healthcare in the world, we get some of the shittiest healthcare in the world. Health reform, helping the uninsured, and the public option is common sense, and anyone who disagrees needs to be checked for mental disorders.

They talk about rationing - well, America does ration it's healthcare. Except, instead of basing our rationing on need or some other rational factor, we ration based on wealth. And it's sickening and immoral.

I know several Canadians who love there health care system.

I know one American who lives in Cannada for about 6 months out of the year, and he saves all his medical treatment for when he is in Cannada!

 

[Jarod]

The reason no one mentions the Danish health care system, is because it is irrelevant to the discussion. Denmark is a very small Scandinavian country, with a population of around 5 million. About 90% of the population is Danish, the other 10% are an assortment of Greeks, Germans, Brits, etc. They have a very small number of true immigrants, and virtually no illegal immigrants. This means, most of the people of Denmark know each other, are familiar with each others families, and they live in small, tight-knit communities, for the most part. With the exception of Copenhagen, the country is largely rural. It's also very cold in Denmark, there is not as much 'hustle and bustle' going on, people tend to stay at home.

Comparing ANYTHING from Denmark with that of the US, is like comparing Mayberry to New York. Can you comprehend the silliness of such comparisons? Systems which may work efficiently and sufficiently for a small town, are wholly inadequate for a large metropolitan city. Cooperative arrangements which work well among friends and neighbors, don't always translate to large diverse groups of total strangers. It is simple human nature, and a matter of trust between people, but small communities tend to be more personally responsible.

Here is a good example of what I mean... My family moved to a small rural town when I was 10 years old, and basically, everyone knew each other. Our town had a Community Center. This building was free for the citizens to use at any time, it always remained unlocked and available for wedding receptions and meetings, and the only obligation was to clean up after yourself when you were done. Now this arrangement worked in a small town, with a small group of people who knew and trusted one another.... but such a facility was impossible to have in a large metropolitan city, vandals would have seen to that.

Much is the same with regard to nationalized health care. IF we lived in a country where 90% of us were locals who knew and trusted each other, a nationalized system may work, especially if our populous were small and isolated due to the cold climate. But that is not what we have in America. Instead of 5 million with 90% natives, we are 300 million, with less than 2% natives. Instead of living in a culture where we may travel 30 miles in our lifetime, we live in a hustle-bustle society constantly on the move and on the go. It is because of this stark difference in culture, population, and condition, that comparisons are irrelevant.

The three weeks I spend in Denmark was one of the best three week periods in my live. Its an amazing place, great food, wonderfull people, great girls (I was 17), loads of fun loving people, beautifull views, little poverty, and great weather (it was June) ohh and did I mention the girls?.

 

[Whomever]

Americans love the Canadian helath care system as well. How about the prescription drugs from Canada that the republicans have fought for so long?

 

[Jarod]

Americans love the Canadian helath care system as well. How about the prescription drugs from Canada that the republicans have fought for so long?

Remember Cheney, dont order Canadian drugs they may not be safe... Turns out they are manufactured in the United States, shipped to Canadian drug companies then sold for less than half the mark up back to Americans...

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The reason no one mentions the Danish health care system, is because it is irrelevant to the discussion. Denmark is a very small Scandinavian country, with a population of around 5 million. About 90% of the population is Danish, the other 10% are an assortment of Greeks, Germans, Brits, etc. They have a very small number of true immigrants, and virtually no illegal immigrants. This means, most of the people of Denmark know each other, are familiar with each others families, and they live in small, tight-knit communities, for the most part. With the exception of Copenhagen, the country is largely rural. It's also very cold in Denmark, there is not as much 'hustle and bustle' going on, people tend to stay at home.

Comparing ANYTHING from Denmark with that of the US, is like comparing Mayberry to New York. Can you comprehend the silliness of such comparisons? Systems which may work efficiently and sufficiently for a small town, are wholly inadequate for a large metropolitan city. Cooperative arrangements which work well among friends and neighbors, don't always translate to large diverse groups of total strangers. It is simple human nature, and a matter of trust between people, but small communities tend to be more personally responsible.

Here is a good example of what I mean... My family moved to a small rural town when I was 10 years old, and basically, everyone knew each other. Our town had a Community Center. This building was free for the citizens to use at any time, it always remained unlocked and available for wedding receptions and meetings, and the only obligation was to clean up after yourself when you were done. Now this arrangement worked in a small town, with a small group of people who knew and trusted one another.... but such a facility was impossible to have in a large metropolitan city, vandals would have seen to that.

Much is the same with regard to nationalized health care. IF we lived in a country where 90% of us were locals who knew and trusted each other, a nationalized system may work, especially if our populous were small and isolated due to the cold climate. But that is not what we have in America. Instead of 5 million with 90% natives, we are 300 million, with less than 2% natives. Instead of living in a culture where we may travel 30 miles in our lifetime, we live in a hustle-bustle society constantly on the move and on the go. It is because of this stark difference in culture, population, and condition, that comparisons are irrelevant.

I think you hit the nail right on the head of why you can't really compare the Danish system (or even Canada's for that matter) to ours because of the economy of scale that you're pointing out. That is a big leap. Having said that, I question that information alone is adequate to draw the conclusion that a some form of national health care plan would not work. There are advantages for this nation by having some type of national health care system. Hell, I'd settle for a State ran one if it meant I could take my kid to the doctor for falling off her bike and not end up paying $10,000 for a bunch of MRI's that weren't really needed. THAT'S WHAT SUCKS ABOUT OUR SYSTEM! Somethings got to be done about cost. So if the Danish are operating a system that is cost affective for them, then that something we need to explore, study and learn what we can from them.

That's the ugly gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Cost. What do we want to pay for and how much are we willing to pay. I'd say that were smart enough in the USA that we can figure out a way to manage our health care resources in this nation in a manor so that if someone has a serious injury or illness, that they should neither be denied basic treatment nor should they be financially wiped out or placed ruinously into debt. There has got to be a way in this country that we can manage our resources to do this at an acceptable cost to the public.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

That's the ugly gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Cost. What do we want to pay for and how much are we willing to pay.

Exactly, and the current liberal socialist plan doesn't even go near the "cost" aspect! It is simply a measure to take the cost paid currently by the consumer, and transferring it to the government and the taxpayer. Instead of doing something this insane, we should be taking a comprehensive look at what drives the cost up, and tackle those issues first. THEN, we can discuss ways to handle health care needs for citizens who can't afford them.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Exactly, and the current liberal socialist plan doesn't even go near the "cost" aspect! It is simply a measure to take the cost paid currently by the consumer, and transferring it to the government and the taxpayer. Instead of doing something this insane, we should be taking a comprehensive look at what drives the cost up, and tackle those issues first. THEN, we can discuss ways to handle health care needs for citizens who can't afford them.

I don't know Dixie, is this a problem the market can solve or is it do big for that or does it require a private/public partnership to assure basic care at reasonable cost? I'm not sure that the market alone can solve this issue and it may be that government alone aint the solution either. I think were going to see some public/private partnership plan in the future where the government provides a basic service and the private sector competes with it.