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Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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rather than face the reality that taxes need to be raised to balance the reality of the state budget, the cowards in sacramento have cut projects and stolen money from local governments and once more deferred dealing with the real problems of california's financial needs

so the same problems will reoccur next year and the next until disaster occurs

hey, but maybe the current crop of politicians will have left office before that occurs...they hope:mad:
 
you spend to much , not a problem of taxing too little
Cali was smart enough to require 2/3 for a tax hike
Now if you want to talk crops in Cali
 
when your state population overwhelmingly denies tax increases, the only thing you have left is spending cuts. Now, if you think that removing the electoral process so that these politicians can become overlords where they can hike taxes without penalty, maybe you can submit that for a change in the constitution.
 
DonQuixote said:
rather than face the reality that taxes need to be raised to balance the reality of the state budget, the cowards in sacramento have cut projects and stolen money from local governments and once more deferred dealing with the real problems of california's financial needs

so the same problems will reoccur next year and the next until disaster occurs

hey, but maybe the current crop of politicians will have left office before that occurs...they hope:mad:
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No, California's problem has been over-spending like there is no tomorrow and has become a welfare state.l
 
TuTu Monroe said:
No, California's problem has been over-spending like there is no tomorrow and has become a welfare state.l
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most of the 'overspending' is due to benefits handed out to retiring civil servants as deferred wages

nothing seems to please a politician more than to hand out benefits deferred to be problems for subsequent legislators
 
BTW, guys, don voted against balancing the cuts with tax increases. He voted for 100% cuts to education and the core of California. He voted for this. And now he's whining about it.

This is why the initiative system is such a stupid idea.
 
Watermark said:
BTW, guys, don voted against balancing the cuts with tax increases. He voted for 100% cuts to education and the core of California. He voted for this. And now he's whining about it.

This is why the initiative system is such a stupid idea.
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i voted against poorly written initiatives that would have shuffled payments around and would have raised the sales tax not income tax

the reps wanted to raise a regressive tax and take funds from some groups at the expense of other groups

you might also note that the league of women voters opposed all of the initiatives

just to set the record straight
 
Watermark said:
BTW, guys, don voted against balancing the cuts with tax increases. He voted for 100% cuts to education and the core of California. He voted for this. And now he's whining about it.

This is why the initiative system is such a stupid idea.
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Nobody voted for 100% cuts in education.
 
DonQuixote said:
rather than face the reality that taxes need to be raised to balance the reality of the state budget, the cowards in sacramento have cut projects and stolen money from local governments and once more deferred dealing with the real problems of california's financial needs

so the same problems will reoccur next year and the next until disaster occurs

hey, but maybe the current crop of politicians will have left office before that occurs...they hope:mad:
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f*ck that man. People in California pay out their ass*s in taxes. Feel free to donate more of your own money if it is burning a hole in your pocket. A coward can raise taxes. These f*ckers need to man up and better spend the money we do have.
 
cawacko said:
f*ck that man. People in California pay out their ass*s in taxes. Feel free to donate more of your own money if it is burning a hole in your pocket. A coward can raise taxes. These f*ckers need to man up and better spend the money we do have.
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Yep, they sure get mine.
 
cawacko said:
f*ck that man. People in California pay out their ass*s in taxes. Feel free to donate more of your own money if it is burning a hole in your pocket. A coward can raise taxes. These f*ckers need to man up and better spend the money we do have.
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They may pay high taxes, but it wasn't enough to cover what you spent!
 
DonQuixote said:
my wife and i pay no tax on our ss

2,400 on a property worth 1.2 million

about 1,900 total property tax and no income tax on two properties with a net income of about 400/month
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You pay less than we do on property of a lesser value! I want your property taxes!
 
Caw, a ton of money is spent on things the legislature can't touch because it was passed on an initiative which "doesn't raise taxes" (but requires the legislature to figure out what to cut to fit the shit in).
 
Watermark said:
Caw, a ton of money is spent on things the legislature can't touch because it was passed on an initiative which "doesn't raise taxes" (but requires the legislature to figure out what to cut to fit the shit in).
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75% of the money spent by the state is already earmarked by initiatives passed by voters.
 
cawacko said:
75% of the money spent by the state is already earmarked by initiatives passed by voters.
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no, a significant amount is money already allocated like bond payments and pensions

also prisons

and education

it is the job of the gov and legislature to find a way to pay for programs required by initiatives
 
DonQuixote said:
no, a significant amount is money already allocated like bond payments and pensions

also prisons

and education

it is the job of the gov and legislature to find a way to pay for programs required by initiatives
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education was passed by prop 98 and requires the state to spend like 40% of its budget on education. The other iniatives cover like 30% or so to equal whatever I said, 70 or 75% of the budget. Go look it up.
 
DonQuixote said:
it is the job of the gov and legislature to find a way to pay for programs required by initiatives
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Yes it is.

And what happens to the programs when the initiatives demand 75% of the budget, and refuse to allow the legislature to raise taxes, and refuse to allow debt, even in the depths of a recession?

What happens to that 25%?

It's alright to take your time here, Don.
 
To be fair, prop 98 was just a response to prop 13, which also required ridiculous pie-in-the-sky levels of property taxation (1%, which can never be revaluated, and discriminates against new residents at the same time), which vastly limited the ability of the state to fund education.

The voters of California are idiots, and that's the end of conversation.
 
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