Clinton's ‘storm of problems’ lost her the election, NOT Russia, says top Democrat

Mott the Hoople said:
If she was such a terrible candidate how come she had significantly more votes than her opponent?

Be honest for once. Trump also was a poor candidate who won by the skin of his teeth and only due to a quirk in our system that permits a candidate to win despite losing the vote.

You might want to check the historical record of unpopular Presidents. Of the four previous unpopular Presidents. Two were complete non-entities that no one remembers, another was a very ineffective one term chief executive and the fourth was so inept and incompetent that he's viewed widely by professionals as one of the five worst Presidents ever.

Now that doesn't necessarily mean Trump will be any of those but if history is any indicator he has a long up hill battle.
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I have made the point many times on here that both candidates were pisspoor but on balance Trump was marginally less bad. Being selfish for a moment, we think he will be better for the UK when it comes to trade deals and ensuring that we leave the EU smoothly. Only time will tell if he turns out to be as bad as some would like to think. Call me old-fashioned but I will judge him on his deeds not his alleged misdeeds.

I also think that his plan to allow off shored profits to be taxed at a 10% corp tax rate is a great idea. There is currently well over two trillion dollars overseas, companies like Apple could bring that money back and spend it in the USA. Maybe even start manufacturing iPhones domestically?

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Mott the Hoople said:
Tom it's articles like this that gives much of the rest of the world the impression that American conservatives are illiterate morons.

Everyone is aware that Clinton lost on her own merits or lack there of. The fact that conservatives are seeking some sort of legitimacy to their win despite losing the electoral college via a foreign powers attempt to influence the election only drives the point home.

So what if the Russian attempt to influence our election went wide? The fact that they did attempt to influence our election and that the Winner of the election is kissing Putins ass is alarming as hell to any American with the wit to rub two sticks together.

Those partisan hacks who believe otherwise are simply morons of the lowest order.
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The Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Uncle Tom Cobley and all are involved in cyber snooping. Holy fuck, the NSA has seven times the budget of the CIA what do you think they spend all that on?

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anatta said:
do we really want to go into the popular vote thing again?
Look where her vote totals came from. This was the ClintonMachine -and it surely knew how to play the game.
It matched battle ground state by battleground state with Trump - and outspending him by millions there.

I can't tell you how many times I shook my head in disbelief where she took off the campaign trail for a couple days
while Trump was doing 4 rallies a day in those states.
The campaign kept saying "rally sizes don't matter" -which showed a gross misunderstanding of retail politics.
Maybe it was her campaign ( which WIKI showed to be a mess) -maybe it was her.

I listened to much of her campaigns, all she really had was "fairness" and anti-Trumpism for her message,
while Trump hit the keys to the electorate's concerns -he resonated-she didn't.
The battleground states were almost a wipe out -and again that's where the battle was fought

On top of that her fundraising was ALWAYS in CA or MA - ( coasts)
she might have done one or two elsewhere -but NONE in the so called Heartland.
She became a caricature of Big Donor politics

Interesting point about the most unpopular presidents, Mott. but i'm talking about the campaign.
I'm cautiously optimistic,if not a bit concerned that Trump has the right ideas to succeed.
But we'll see.
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Holy shit, she spent over 1.2 billion dollars mainly on the east and west coasts, so that's hardly surprising is it?

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GazzaQueen said:
That's what this Dem was saying on uber-conservative MSNBC. It wasn't hacking, it wasn't fraud (recounts), it wasn't Comey, it wasn't anything at all, but Dem policy that lost them the election. Until they understand it's their message that people disagree with, they will have to grow accustomed to losing.
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Do you have a link to her mentioning Russians?
 
GazzaQueen said:
That's what this Dem was saying on uber-conservative MSNBC. It wasn't hacking, it wasn't fraud (recounts), it wasn't Comey, it wasn't anything at all, but Dem policy that lost them the election. Until they understand it's their message that people disagree with, they will have to grow accustomed to losing.
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It was the messenger also.
 
Democrats have lost the last three election cycles and their reactions suggest they will lose the next one as they clearly aren't getting the message.
 
doctordog said:
Only iN California, without 3 counties she loses by over a million. Too bad her and you don't understand our electoral college.
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Not only in CA. That's such a weird talking point. That's like saying Trump only won in TX and a few southern states.

More people voted Dem. Deal with it.
 
Thing1 said:
Not only in CA. That's such a weird talking point. That's like saying Trump only won in TX and a few southern states.

More people voted Dem. Deal with it.
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Only in California, she lost, you lost, we won, pull your panties up
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Tom it's articles like this that gives much of the rest of the world the impression that American conservatives are illiterate morons.

Everyone is aware that Clinton lost on her own merits or lack there of. The fact that conservatives are seeking some sort of legitimacy to their win despite losing the electoral college via a foreign powers attempt to influence the election only drives the point home.

So what if the Russian attempt to influence our election went wide? The fact that they did attempt to influence our election and that the Winner of the election is kissing Putins ass is alarming as hell to any American with the wit to rub two sticks together.

Those partisan hacks who believe otherwise are simply morons of the lowest order.
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Yes you seem very alarmed
 
doctordog said:
Only in California, she lost, you lost, we won, pull your panties up
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Nah - she won by 3 million nationally. And yet you keep lecturing all of us on the lessons Democrats have to learn - even though demographics are trending rapidly to favor Dems even more.

This is it for you guys. Especially w/ tweety defining the GOP for a generation.
 
Thing1 said:
Nah - she won by 3 million nationally. And yet you keep lecturing all of us on the lessons Democrats have to learn - even though demographics are trending rapidly to favor Dems even more.

This is it for you guys. Especially w/ tweety defining the GOP for a generation.
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Democrats have become a bi-coastal party under Obama and you can't take the EC with just the coasts. That's the main lesson your party needs to learn. They've essentially become a regional party comprised of elitists that care more about saving the planet than jobs.

If you think that's a winning formula, have at it lol.

If national democrats don't need to change, explain why they lost so many seats under Obama. Or why was Obama forced to resort to a pen and the phone to try and execute his agenda?
 
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