California's 'Green Jobs' Experiment Isn't Going Well

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California's 'Green Jobs' Experiment Isn't Going Well

By STEPHEN MOORE

Los Angeles

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was all smiles in 2006 when he signed into law the toughest anti-global-warming regulations of any state. Mr. Schwarzenegger and his green supporters boasted that the regulations would steer California into a prosperous era of green jobs, renewable energy, and technological leadership. Instead, since 2007 -- in anticipation of the new mandates -- California has led the nation in job losses.

The regulations created a cap-and-trade system, similar to proposed federal global-warming measures, by limiting the CO2 that utilities, trucking companies and other businesses can emit, and imposed steep new taxes on companies that exceed the caps. Since energy is an input in everything that's produced, this will raise the cost of production inside California's borders.

Now, as the Golden State prepares to implement this regulatory scheme, employers are howling. It's become clear to nearly everyone that the plan's backers have underestimated its negative impact and exaggerated the benefits. "We've been sold a false bill of goods," is how Republican Assemblyman Roger Niello, who has been the GOP's point man on environmental issues in the legislature, put it to me.

The environmental plan was built on the notion that imposing some $23 billion of new taxes and fees on households (through higher electricity bills) and employers will cost the economy nothing, while also reducing greenhouse gases. Almost no one believes that anymore except for the five members of the California Air Resources Board (CARB). This is the state's air-quality regulator, which voted unanimously in December to stick with the cap-and-trade system despite the recession. CARB justified its go-ahead by issuing what almost all experts agree is a rigged study on the economic impact of the cap-and-trade system. The study concludes that the plan "will not only significantly reduce California's greenhouse gas emissions, but will also have a net positive effect on California's economic growth through 2020."

This finding elicited a chorus of hallelujahs from environmental groups. The state finally discovered a do-good policy that pays for itself. Californians can still scurry around in their cars, heat up their Jacuzzis, and help save the planet. But there was a problem. The CARB had commissioned five economists from around the country to critique this study. They panned it.

Harvard's Robert Stavins, chairman of the federal Environmental Protection Agency's economic advisory committee under Bill Clinton, told me that "None of us knew who the other reviewers were, but we all came up with almost the same conclusion. The report was severely flawed and systematically underestimated costs." Another reviewer, UCLA Prof. Matthew E. Kahn, a supporter of the new regulations, criticized the "free lunch" aspect of the report. "The net dollar costs of each of these regulations is likely to be much larger than is reported," he concluded. Mr. Stavins points out that if these regulations are a net boon for businesses and the economy, "why would you need to impose regulations like cap and trade?"

The Sacramento Bee, which has editorialized in support of the new regulations, was aghast at CARB's twisted science. We have to "be candid about the real costs of the transition," a cautionary editorial advised. "Energy prices will rise, and major capital investment will be needed in public transit and new transmission lines. Industries that are energy intensive will move elsewhere."

The green lobby has lectured us for years that global warming is all about the sanctity of science. Those who question the "scientific consensus" on catastrophic atmospheric changes are belittled as "deniers." Now, in assessing the costs, the greens readily cook the books and throw good science out the window. "To most of the most strident supporters of this legislation," says Mr. Niello, "the economic costs don't really matter anyway, because we are supposedly facing an environmental apocalypse."

Mr. Schwarzenegger fits into that camp. He recently declared: "I recommend very strongly that we move forward . . . . You will always have people saying this will lose jobs."

Meanwhile, the state is losing jobs, a lot of them. California's unemployment rate hit 9.3% in December, up from 4.9% in December 2006. There are now 1.5 million Californians out of work. The state has the fourth-highest housing foreclosure rate in the nation, has lost more businesses than any state in recent years, and is facing a $40 billion deficit. With cap and trade firmly in place, the economic situation is only likely to get worse.

Other states are plundering the Golden State's industries by convincing businesses to pick up stakes and move out before the cap-and-trade earthquake hits. Governors and Washington politicians who want to reduce their "carbon footprint," but are worried about the more immediate crises of cascading unemployment, unbalanced budgets, and the housing-market collapse, would be wise not to follow California's lead. Green policies have a tendency to push states into the red.

Mr. Moore is senior economics writer for the Wall Street Journal editorial page.


CAUSE:

The environmental plan was built on the notion that imposing some $23 billion of new taxes and fees on households (through higher electricity bills) and employers will cost the economy nothing, while also reducing greenhouse gases.

Meet EFFECT:

Meanwhile, the state is losing jobs, a lot of them. California's unemployment rate hit 9.3% in December, up from 4.9% in December 2006. There are now 1.5 million Californians out of work. The state has the fourth-highest housing foreclosure rate in the nation, has lost more businesses than any state in recent years, and is facing a $40 billion deficit. With cap and trade firmly in place, the economic situation is only likely to get worse.
 
Wow - CA is losing jobs?

Jeez...with all the prosperity being enjoyed by the rest of the states, that's extremely unusual...
 
Wow - CA is losing jobs?

Jeez...with all the prosperity being enjoyed by the rest of the states, that's extremely unusual...

I didn't read the article but we are close to 10% unemployment. Outside of Michigan which isn't really a state is any other state close to us? (us meaning CA)
 
I'd love to see Cali go to shit so I can afford to move there. Bush's environmental group lied thousands of times. Now it's bad to do. LOL
 
Come on damo. Tell us more about the economic panacea of green jobs.
Please pay particular attention to the italicized, underlined, bolded portion of the response to this inanely simpleton question below:

One more time for the slow ("the slow" means you AHZ, I wonder how many 'one more times' it will take before you begin to be even halfway intellectually honest about what I say), you are arguing with the people who think government force should be applied in order to make people purchase the sucky stuff, which I have never suggested nor endorse. I personally believe that:

1. There is no need to apply force to get people to purchase it, you just need to make it "not suck". Direct example. The Tesla Roadster.

2. Give people positive incentive rather than attempt to take away other products. There are people who want to buy it, make it an option by giving people who bring production here a break. This break does not have to simply deal with "green" technologies. All production should get a break, not just "green" stuff. If we give proper incentive, places where they do take away choices in order to force people to buy suck will welcome products produced in places like the US where incentive to improve is not removed by the force of law. The items sold that do not have the stench of government endorsed suck all over them will sell better, the US will be positioned to become the producers, not simply the consumers, of the next generation of "green".

3. You continuously "suggest" what I believe without reading what I say because you either are too stupid to argue honestly, or just like to wallow in your own deliberate disingenuousness...
 
Please pay particular attention to the italicized, underlined, bolded portion of the response to this inanely simpleton question below:

One more time for the slow ("the slow" means you AHZ, I wonder how many 'one more times' it will take before you begin to be even halfway intellectually honest about what I say), you are arguing with the people who think government force should be applied in order to make people purchase the sucky stuff, which I have never suggested nor endorse. I personally believe that:

1. There is no need to apply force to get people to purchase it, you just need to make it "not suck". Direct example. The Tesla Roadster.

2. Give people positive incentive rather than attempt to take away other products. There are people who want to buy it, make it an option by giving people who bring production here a break. This break does not have to simply deal with "green" technologies. All production should get a break, not just "green" stuff. If we give proper incentive, places where they do take away choices in order to force people to buy suck will welcome products produced in places like the US where incentive to improve is not removed by the force of law. The items sold that do not have the stench of government endorsed suck all over them will sell better, the US will be positioned to become the producers, not simply the consumers, of the next generation of "green".

3. You continuously "suggest" what I believe without reading what I say because you either are too stupid to argue honestly, or just like to wallow in your own deliberate disingenuousness...


Your concept of non forced green bullshit is merely hallucinatory though. It's like when free market radicals talk about free trade as if markets are not shaped by government policy, or as if there is no corruption in the world, or no collusion between government and large favored corporations.
 
Your concept of non forced green bullshit is merely hallucinatory though. It's like when free market radicals talk about free trade as if markets are not shaped by government policy, or as if there is no corruption in the world, or no collusion between government and large favored corporations.
And your concept that nobody wants the stuff is proved false every single time that "green" is made to "not suck".

It proves your inane suggestion that nobody will buy it unless forced a false assumption.
 
And your concept that nobody wants the stuff is proved false every single time that "green" is made to "not suck".

It proves your inane suggestion that nobody will buy it unless forced a false assumption.

if that were true, they wouldn't need to legislate it. Just like how if all these bad loans were actually worth something, the taxpayer wouldn't be forced to purchase them. All these mental dysfunctions are related.
 
if that were true, they wouldn't need to legislate it. Just like how if all these bad loans were actually worth something, the taxpayer wouldn't be forced to purchase them. All these mental dysfunctions are related.
Rubbish. It is true, as proved by examples given earlier, you are just too personally dishonest to admit when you are wrong or to even listen to an idea you want to dismiss so desperately it makes you stupid.

That it won't be as "fast" would be true, but that it would never happen is entirely false. There are people who want it, even if none of them are you.

Let others suffer through forced suck, we'll create the items they'll really buy. Your weak crybaby 'only fix it my way or I'll cry' rubbish notwithstanding. Seriously. You are sad.

:tantrum: <- I think I'll name this one after you.
 
Rubbish. It is true, as proved by examples given earlier, you are just too personally dishonest to admit when you are wrong or to even listen to an idea you want to dismiss so desperately it makes you stupid.

That it won't be as "fast" would be true, but that it would never happen is entirely false.

Let others suffer through forced suck, we'll create the items they'll really buy. Your weak crybaby 'only fix it my way or I'll cry' rubbish notwithstanding. Seriously. You are sad.

But we're gearing up for "forced suck". Good technologies shouldn't need to be forced through legislation.
 
But we're gearing up for "forced suck". Good technologies shouldn't need to be forced through legislation.
Again you are too stupid to understand the difference between my opinion that what we are "gearing up for is wrong, and your inane assumption that I suggest we continue to follow the "forced suck plan".

My opinion is we shouldn't gear up for "forced suck" because it will be a mistake. Pay attention, Asshat.
 
Again you are too stupid to understand the difference between my opinion that what we are "gearing up for is wrong, and your inane assumption that I suggest we continue to follow the "forced suck plan".

My opinion is we shouldn't gear up for "forced suck" because it will be a mistake. Pay attention, Asshat.

But your "non forced version" is nowhere on the radar. Given this, your statements merely lend support to the current "forced suck" plans.
 
But your "non forced version" is nowhere on the radar. Given this, your statements merely lend support to the current "forced suck" plans.
Nor is your, "do nothing and force people to buy American" plan. Does that mean you shouldn't talk about it any longer?

Come on... Seriously, what has happened to you? You used to at least try to show a modicum of intelligence in your posts, even if they were filled with unnecessary ad hominems.

This is just sad, a pale shade...
 
Nor is your, "do nothing and force people to buy American" plan. Does that mean you shouldn't talk about it any longer?

Come on... Seriously, what has happened to you? You used to at least try to show a modicum of intelligence in your posts, even if they were filled with unnecessary ad hominems.

This is just sad, a pale shade...


But when you talk about your non forced suck version, without mentioning it's noncoercive nature, you fail in making the distinction between what you believe and the current proposals. Im just helping you out.

So you are completely against the coercive "green forced suck" plans. Im just clarifying for the readers. Don't get so hostile about it.
 
But when you talk about your non forced suck version, without mentioning it's noncoercive nature, you fail in making the distinction between what you believe and the current proposals. Im just helping you out.

So you are completely against the coercive "green forced suck" plans. Im just clarifying for the readers. Don't get so hostile about it.
You're not "just helping me out". You are being deliberately dishonest. First I never even uttered a word in this thread before you made your dishonest suggestion about my opinion without regard to previous conversations.

You can't even be honest about your own supposed reasons.
 
You're not "just helping me out". You are being deliberately dishonest. First I never even uttered a word in this thread before you made your dishonest suggestion about my opinion without regard to previous conversations.

You can't even be honest about your own supposed reasons.

It's help. Admit it. I'm helping you more clearly express yourself, and helping to disambiguate you from the current poopoo plans.
 
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