Bundy scumbags get their spokeman killed
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evince
Truthmatters
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/bundys_in_custody_one_militant.html
At the refuge Tuesday evening, occupier Jason Patrick reported no unusual activity. "It's pretty quiet here," Patrick said. He said no one was leaving as of 6 p.m.
Hours later, Patrick said the refuge remained quiet but "we're all standing here ready to defend our peaceful resolution." He wouldn't elaborate.
In the meantime, Operation Mutual Defense, a network of militias and patriot sympathizers, issued a call on its website for help at the refuge. The post was written by Gary Hunt, a board member from California who has expressed support for Timothy McVeigh, who bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City and had ties to the patriot movement.
"You have an obligation to proceed to the Harney County Resource Center (the wildlife refuge) immediately," Hunt wrote. "If you fail to arrive, you will demonstrate by your own actions that your previous statements to defend life, liberty, and property were false."
At the refuge Tuesday evening, occupier Jason Patrick reported no unusual activity. "It's pretty quiet here," Patrick said. He said no one was leaving as of 6 p.m.
Hours later, Patrick said the refuge remained quiet but "we're all standing here ready to defend our peaceful resolution." He wouldn't elaborate.
In the meantime, Operation Mutual Defense, a network of militias and patriot sympathizers, issued a call on its website for help at the refuge. The post was written by Gary Hunt, a board member from California who has expressed support for Timothy McVeigh, who bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City and had ties to the patriot movement.
"You have an obligation to proceed to the Harney County Resource Center (the wildlife refuge) immediately," Hunt wrote. "If you fail to arrive, you will demonstrate by your own actions that your previous statements to defend life, liberty, and property were false."
signalmankenneth
Verified User
It's about time the Fed's took action action against these hoodlums?!! Sure took long enough?!! The Fed's need to make an example of these so called militias, so this type of thing does not happen again without consequences!
evince
Truthmatters
they soft walked them.
there are this timmy McVeigh idiots in this country ( they are who this group is ).
they are trying to avoid them going all Murrah building on this country again
the scraps that are left of the republican party are becoming leaderless.
They have been told the government is evil by the owners of the republican party.
they are now full of lies, leaderless and about to lose BIG TIME in a major election.
get ready for these insane idiots to start "going rouge"
there are this timmy McVeigh idiots in this country ( they are who this group is ).
they are trying to avoid them going all Murrah building on this country again
the scraps that are left of the republican party are becoming leaderless.
They have been told the government is evil by the owners of the republican party.
they are now full of lies, leaderless and about to lose BIG TIME in a major election.
get ready for these insane idiots to start "going rouge"
evince
Truthmatters
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._occupation_continues_after_arrest_death.html
Only a few people had left, said Gary Hunt, who arrived Sunday from California to support the occupation. "The rest have decided they're going to hold their ground," he said ... Hunt said there was confusion among those remaining at the compound and he wasn't certain who was providing leadership.
In recent days, it looked as if about 40 people were staying in the buildings, including women and children.
Only a few people had left, said Gary Hunt, who arrived Sunday from California to support the occupation. "The rest have decided they're going to hold their ground," he said ... Hunt said there was confusion among those remaining at the compound and he wasn't certain who was providing leadership.
In recent days, it looked as if about 40 people were staying in the buildings, including women and children.
evince
Truthmatters
http://www.equip.org/article/the-patriot-movement/
SOVEREIGN CITIZEN REBELLION
The vast majority of patriots suffer from an acute misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, which prohibits states from depriving “any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” Patriots claim this amendment created a second type of citizenship called federal citizenship. To patriots, federal citizens are second-class citizens subject to all laws passed by the power that supposedly gave them their citizenship, meaning the federal (U.S.) government located in Washington, D.C. As citizens of that government, they must obey federal rules such as paying taxes.
The first type of citizenship, however, which patriots call “state citizenship,” is said to have existed prior to the 14th Amendment. It is considered a “natural” citizenship conferred on persons born in any America state. Such individuals, called “sovereign” citizens, are supposedly not bound by federal (U.S.) laws because they derive their freedoms from the Constitution rather than from the 14th Amendment.
Patriots assert that most Americans have been duped into rejecting their sovereign status by unknowingly placing themselves under federal (U.S.) jurisdiction through “illegal contracts” with the government, such as driver’s licenses, birth certificates, and social security cards. These documents allegedly make someone a U.S. citizen. This, in turn, causes unsuspecting individuals to come under federal authority, which means they must obey federal laws.
Such a notion leads to the belief that people can free themselves from federal subjugation by choosing to live as a state citizen rather than as a U.S. citizen. It is argued that one can obtain “sovereign” status by (1)breaking (i.e., physically destroying) all “contracts” with the government including birth certificates, social security cards, driver’s licenses, and so forth; (2)renouncing federal (14th Amendment) citizenship; and (3)claiming state citizenship.
Although this understanding of the Constitution may sound plausible, it is built on nothing more than legal acrobatics and misunderstanding. First, the 14thAmendment did not create federal citizens. The Constitution itself made colonists and their posterity federal citizens so that when traveling between different states they would have equal rights and protection under an umbrella union: the federal United States.8 Second, the 14th Amendment did not impart second-class citizenship. It merely guaranteed blacks equal footing with other Americans by recognizing them as citizens of the U.S. and each state. Unfortunately, most patriots remain ignorant of these facts and continue to cause trouble for themselves, as well as for others:
• In 1994 three California patriots were arrested for hiring a thug to assault Stanislaus County clerk-recorder Karen Matthews, who had refused to remove an IRS lien (claims against property for debts) on the home of a local tax protester.9
• A San Antonio tax protester was charged with attempting to “hire an assassin to kill the mayor in the belief that the Constitution gives citizens the right to remove public officials — if necessary, by execution.”10
• In March 1995, four members of the Minnesota Patriots Council — LeRoy Wheeler, Duane Baker, Dennis Henderson, and Richard Oelrich — were convicted under the U.S. Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorist Act for planning to kill law enforcement agents with ricin, a deadly toxin that they had manufactured. The four men possessed enough ricin to kill 1,400 people.11
Many Americans agree that the government has grown too big, that federal agencies often overstep their bounds, and that citizens pay too much in taxes. But not everyone trains with an AK-47 for a day when they will have to fight the feds. Nor do all Americans manufacture biological weapons or stockpile huge caches of weaponry. Why? Because the real motivation behind the patriot/militia movement is much more complex than all of the complaints discussed thus far.
Unlike most citizens, who are merely wearied by our government’s problems, patriots cling to a radical conspiracy theory that the ongoing economic and political difficulties in their country are part of a much larger plan to “enslave Americans by disarming the population and making the currency worthless. The eventual result…will be the New World Order — a one-world government administered by the United Nations.”12 This coming totalitarian establishment will reduce everyone to slaves whose sole purpose will be to serve the “international bankers, wealthy elite, socialists and liberals.”13
SOVEREIGN CITIZEN REBELLION
The vast majority of patriots suffer from an acute misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, which prohibits states from depriving “any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” Patriots claim this amendment created a second type of citizenship called federal citizenship. To patriots, federal citizens are second-class citizens subject to all laws passed by the power that supposedly gave them their citizenship, meaning the federal (U.S.) government located in Washington, D.C. As citizens of that government, they must obey federal rules such as paying taxes.
The first type of citizenship, however, which patriots call “state citizenship,” is said to have existed prior to the 14th Amendment. It is considered a “natural” citizenship conferred on persons born in any America state. Such individuals, called “sovereign” citizens, are supposedly not bound by federal (U.S.) laws because they derive their freedoms from the Constitution rather than from the 14th Amendment.
Patriots assert that most Americans have been duped into rejecting their sovereign status by unknowingly placing themselves under federal (U.S.) jurisdiction through “illegal contracts” with the government, such as driver’s licenses, birth certificates, and social security cards. These documents allegedly make someone a U.S. citizen. This, in turn, causes unsuspecting individuals to come under federal authority, which means they must obey federal laws.
Such a notion leads to the belief that people can free themselves from federal subjugation by choosing to live as a state citizen rather than as a U.S. citizen. It is argued that one can obtain “sovereign” status by (1)breaking (i.e., physically destroying) all “contracts” with the government including birth certificates, social security cards, driver’s licenses, and so forth; (2)renouncing federal (14th Amendment) citizenship; and (3)claiming state citizenship.
Although this understanding of the Constitution may sound plausible, it is built on nothing more than legal acrobatics and misunderstanding. First, the 14thAmendment did not create federal citizens. The Constitution itself made colonists and their posterity federal citizens so that when traveling between different states they would have equal rights and protection under an umbrella union: the federal United States.8 Second, the 14th Amendment did not impart second-class citizenship. It merely guaranteed blacks equal footing with other Americans by recognizing them as citizens of the U.S. and each state. Unfortunately, most patriots remain ignorant of these facts and continue to cause trouble for themselves, as well as for others:
• In 1994 three California patriots were arrested for hiring a thug to assault Stanislaus County clerk-recorder Karen Matthews, who had refused to remove an IRS lien (claims against property for debts) on the home of a local tax protester.9
• A San Antonio tax protester was charged with attempting to “hire an assassin to kill the mayor in the belief that the Constitution gives citizens the right to remove public officials — if necessary, by execution.”10
• In March 1995, four members of the Minnesota Patriots Council — LeRoy Wheeler, Duane Baker, Dennis Henderson, and Richard Oelrich — were convicted under the U.S. Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorist Act for planning to kill law enforcement agents with ricin, a deadly toxin that they had manufactured. The four men possessed enough ricin to kill 1,400 people.11
Many Americans agree that the government has grown too big, that federal agencies often overstep their bounds, and that citizens pay too much in taxes. But not everyone trains with an AK-47 for a day when they will have to fight the feds. Nor do all Americans manufacture biological weapons or stockpile huge caches of weaponry. Why? Because the real motivation behind the patriot/militia movement is much more complex than all of the complaints discussed thus far.
Unlike most citizens, who are merely wearied by our government’s problems, patriots cling to a radical conspiracy theory that the ongoing economic and political difficulties in their country are part of a much larger plan to “enslave Americans by disarming the population and making the currency worthless. The eventual result…will be the New World Order — a one-world government administered by the United Nations.”12 This coming totalitarian establishment will reduce everyone to slaves whose sole purpose will be to serve the “international bankers, wealthy elite, socialists and liberals.”13
SmarterthanYou
rebel
lets take a very close look at the so called liberals here celebrating and enjoying the fact that their beloved federal government killed a human being because they DARED stand up to them. this shows your complete hatred of americans, humans, and freedom. you don't deserve the very air you breathe in this once great nation. I hope you all get the opportunity to feel that jackboot on your throat.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
now THIS is some fucking irony. you win the prize
Who is celebrating and enjoying it?
I am glad these men no longer enjoy special treatment under the law. I am glad they are going to be held accountable for theft of the Taxpayer's property. I am glad the Fed is backing up on the entitlements they have received all these years.
I am sorry it came to violence and really wish they could have been apprehended without injury or death.
evince
Truthmatters
SmarterthanYou
rebel
stop lying. you publicly claim that you 'feel badly' about the violence, but you damned well know that from the get go you wanted these people to suffer for their blatant violations of laws YOU support. how dare they buck your precious federal government? this is the exact reason why liberals are despised. it's because you are indeed takers. you have zero respect for anyone or anything except what your masters tell you that you are entitled to. you have no sense of freedom, only slavery. your cognitive dissonance kicks in to high gear so that you can rebut anything that would abuse you of the notion that what you believe is indeed correct, so much so that you WILLINGLY excuse flagrant abuses of government in the belief that it's there to protect you.
face the truth, which is that you prefer slavery to the state over freedom because you are a coward of the highest caliber. end of the fucking story.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
you deserve it, traitor. you're a coward of the highest order that prefers slavery over freedom because you're terrified of your fellow citizen.
evince
Truthmatters
just like those babies Murrah building deserved it huh
These men were not standing up for freedom. They have no special right to this land, they have no special right to this government property. The property is owned by the Taxpayers to be done with what the elected representatives of the people believe is best for our nation. The rebellion and ability to do something about it being mismanaged is not with violence but at the ballot box.
These men feel entitled to land that is owned by the government. It is not their land to do with as they please, it is owned by the collective. They are behaving like entitled brats, in my opinion.
They want the fed to manage and maintain the land, but allow this small group of "ranchers" to do as they please with it. They don't want the land "open to the public" or free to anyone who wants to abuse it as they see fit, they want it cared for and maintained for their exclusive use.