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Global biofuel land area estimated​
United Press International

[FONT=&quot]U.S. scientists say biofuel crops grown on available land could meet half of the world's current fuel consumption without affecting food crops or pastureland. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]University of Illinois researchers, using detailed land analysis, identified land around the globe available to produce grass crops for biofuels with minimal impact on agriculture or the environment, a UI release said Monday. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]"The questions we're trying to address are, what kind of land could be used for biofuel crops?" environmental engineering Professor Ximing Cai said. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]"If we have land, where is it and what is the current land cover? [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The Illinois study focused on marginal land for biofuel crops. Marginal land refers to land with low inherent productivity, that has been abandoned or degraded, or is of low quality for agricultural uses. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]In their computer modeling, the researchers ruled out current crop land, pasture land, and forests. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]They also assumed biofuel crops would be watered by rainfall and not irrigation, so no water would have to be diverted from agricultural land. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Researchers said an estimated land area of 2.7 million acres was available globally, an area that would produce 26 to 56 percent of the world's current liquid fuel consumption.[/FONT]
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Topspin said:
It's so profitable it's not being done because?
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Yea, the reality is, is that as long as their is cheap petroleum available there will not be much of a market for developing alternative fuels. The closer petroleum comes to exceeding $100/barrell the closer we come to seeing that paradigm change.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea, the reality is, is that as long as their is cheap petroleum available there will not be much of a market for developing alternative fuels. The closer petroleum comes to exceeding $100/barrell the closer we come to seeing that paradigm change.
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I agree with you here Mott. I hate paying so much for fuel. I think the high fuel prices are very damaging to the economy and make it rough on the average joe going to work every day. But the one positive that might come out of it is that if they jack the prices to the point that someone says, "Enough...let's find some other kind of energy." It may not be cheaper....or it may be...who knows, but at least there would be some competetition.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea, the reality is, is that as long as their is cheap petroleum available there will not be much of a market for developing alternative fuels. The closer petroleum comes to exceeding $100/barrell the closer we come to seeing that paradigm change.
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You ignore that fact that the reason it is approaching $100 is that The Obama has devalued the dollar, so everything costs more, not just oil.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea, the reality is, is that as long as their is cheap petroleum available there will not be much of a market for developing alternative fuels. The closer petroleum comes to exceeding $100/barrell the closer we come to seeing that paradigm change.
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The stupidity of the matter extends further.... the US and others are so focused on using crops, they ignore the best alternative. The US government especially is focused on farm subsidies to continue getting votes and thus continues pumping this ignorant path.

http://www.solixbiofuels.com/

Take a look at the above. It is one example of the a company promoting algae based biofuels.

the Algae based biofuels:

1) Use about 1% of the water that crops do to produce the same amount of oil

2) Can be put almost anywhere. It does not need to be put on farm land or grass pastures. rocky land, water, etc..

3) Its biproduct is a great carb based food source for live stock

4) The algae feeds on what? Pollutants. These algae farms can be placed next to breweries, coal based power plants, manufacturing plants, etc... and help reduce their emissions etc... at the same time as producing oil and a food source for live stock.

5) Currently used by the US Air Force
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea, the reality is, is that as long as their is cheap petroleum available there will not be much of a market for developing alternative fuels. The closer petroleum comes to exceeding $100/barrell the closer we come to seeing that paradigm change.
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that was funny Mott thanks, Change it to $200 and you might have a point.
 
I think the energy giants are waiting to drive the cost of energy up before they bring in the real solutions. Timing is everything when you're tricking people.
 
Topspin said:
freak how much have you invested in this great idea?
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$50k in a private placement... if I had more liquid when it came out, I would have invested more.

It is still early on in its development, but I do believe it is going to provide a good supplement to oil. Especially given its added benefits of food source for livestock and the fact that algae consumes pollutants.

to be clear, I do not think it will ever be a replacement for oil. But it can help reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It can also help to allow us to continue making beer, using coal power plants etc... while producing less pollutants.
 
Superfreak said:
$50k in a private placement... if I had more liquid when it came out, I would have invested more.

It is still early on in its development, but I do believe it is going to provide a good supplement to oil. Especially given its added benefits of food source for livestock and the fact that algae consumes pollutants.

to be clear, I do not think it will ever be a replacement for oil. But it can help reduce our dependence on foreign oil. It can also help to allow us to continue making beer, using coal power plants etc... while producing less pollutants.
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ROFL, Good luck with that. did you buy some Iraqi dinars while you were at the wild speculation table?
 
Damn Yankee said:
I wish you luck, but I don't see the potential.
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yeah... what potential could there be taking a barren piece of land, using it to produce food for livestock at the same time as producing oil. If that barren piece of land happens to be located next to a power plant all the better. But I know.... everyone loves living on top of power plants, so the chances of finding cheap land around them is minimal.
 
Superfreak said:
yeah... what potential could there be taking a barren piece of land, using it to produce food for livestock at the same time as producing oil. If that barren piece of land happens to be located next to a power plant all the better. But I know.... everyone loves living on top of power plants, so the chances of finding cheap land around them is minimal.
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If no one lives there then how does the waste get there?
 
Topspin said:
ROFL, Good luck with that. did you buy some Iraqi dinars while you were at the wild speculation table?
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http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/energy_climate_con_vehicle_algae.aspx

yeah... wild speculation... I know.... that is why only tiny companies like Exxon are looking into it....

Advantages of algae
ExxonMobil has been engaged in a long-term effort to examine the potential of next generation and renewable fuels. After considerable study, we have concluded that biofuels from photosynthetic algae have potential benefits and advantages.

* Algae can be grown using land and water unsuitable for plant or food production, unlike some other first- and second-generation biofuel feedstocks.

* Select species of algae produce bio-oils through the natural process of photosynthesis — requiring only sunlight, water and carbon dioxide.

* Growing algae consume carbon dioxide; this provides greenhouse gas mitigation benefits.

* Bio-oil produced by photosynthetic algae and the resultant biofuel will have molecular structures that are similar to the petroleum and refined products we use today.

* Algae have the potential to yield greater volumes of biofuel per acre of production than other biofuel sources. Algae could yield more than 2000 gallons of fuel per acre per year of production. Approximate yields for other fuel sources are far lower:

- Palm — 650 gallons per acre per year
- Sugar cane — 450 gallons per acre per year
- Corn — 250 gallons per acre per year
- Soy — 50 gallons per acre per year

* Algae used to produce biofuels are highly productive. As a result, large quantities of algae can be grown quickly, and the process of testing different strains of algae for their fuel-making potential can proceed more rapidly than for other crops with longer life cycles.

* If successful, bio-oils from photosynthetic algae could be used to manufacture a full range of fuels including gasoline, diesel fuel and jet fuel that meet the same specifications as today’s products.

Under the program, if research and development milestones are successfully met, ExxonMobil expects to spend more than $600 million, which includes $300 million in internal costs and potentially more than $300 million to SGI.
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I don't know what I could possibly have been thinking.
 
Exxon is doing research on it, yeah I've seen the commercial. Can you buy algea fuel at thier stations? NO

Like I said good luck with it. To pretend it's more than among the wildest speculatative investemts is comical.
 
Superfreak said:
Please clarify... what the hell are you talking about? How does what waste get where?
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To the algae. You inferred that the algae process would be located near power plants, therefore away from population centers. Algae requires nutrients (waste) to grow. So where does the waste come from if there is no nearby population.
 
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