Biden tries to climb down from Ukraine ledge

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Washington’s earlier boasts of driving Russian President Vladimir Putin from power, destroying Russia’s capacity to make war and halving the size of the Russian economy look ridiculous in retrospect.

The world economy is reeling from supply shocks in energy and food provoked by Western sanctions on Russia
. Monetary policy can reduce inflation only by forcing consumers to stop buying, which forces retailers to liquidate inventory at lower prices and crushes demand for raw materials – a cure that is worse than the disease.

Russia meanwhile earned a record €93 billion (US$97 billion) from energy exports during the first 100 days of the war, a Finnish study concluded. China and India, which refused to join Group of Seven sanctions against Russia, reportedly are buying oil at a discount of $30 to $40 per barrel, while American and European consumers are paying the full price.

The European Central Bank convened an emergency meeting on June 15 to address the deterioration of its weakest members and promised yet-to-be-specified measures to prevent the “fragmentation” of the European Union.

The Biden administration vastly underestimated the inflationary impact of the $6 trillion Covid stimulus package, which began under Donald Trump’s administration but doubled under Biden.

It underestimated the resilience of the Russian economy and the capabilities of the Russian military.

France and Germany on February 15 asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to comply with the Minsk II agreement, then supported by Moscow, which would have given autonomy to Russian-speaking regions in the Donbas within a sovereign Ukraine.

At Washington’s prompting, Zelensky rejected a February 19 proposal from German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to avoid war. Michael Gordon reported on April 1 in The Wall Street Journal:

“Mr Scholz made one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kyiv. He told Mr Zelensky in Munich on February 19 that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia. The pact would be signed by Mr Putin and Mr Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security. Mr Zelensky said Mr Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO.

The hapless Zelensky did not invent the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine. He was given assurances by Washington and London, which stepped up weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

The United States won’t tell Ukraine what to do, Undersecretary Kahl declared. But that doesn’t prevent other governments from making Zelensky an offer he can’t refuse. Zelensky adviser Oleksiy Arestovych told Germany’s Bild-Zeitung on June 16 that German Chancellor Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian President Mario Draghi might deliver such a demand to Zelensky during their current visit to Kiev.

The Zelensky aide said he feared that Scholz, Macron and Draghi “will try to get a Minsk III. They will say that we need to end the war that is causing food problems and economic problems, that Russians and Ukrainians are dying, that we need to save Mr Putin’s face, that the Russians made mistakes and that we need to forgive and give them a chance to return to world society.”

Germany’s leading center-right daily Die Welt commented: “Kiev is beginning to have doubts about the solidarity of the West. Voices are being raised calling for peace efforts. In particular, a statement by NATO chief Stoltenberg points to a change of course.”

Die Welt referred to a June 12 speech in which NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated: “The question is: What price are you willing to pay for peace? How much territory? How much independence? How much sovereignty? How much freedom? How much democracy are you willing to sacrifice for peace? And that’s a very difficult moral dilemma.”
https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/biden-stares-down-from-ukraine-economic-ledge/
 
The world economy is reeling from supply shocks in energy and food provoked by Western sanctions on Russia
China and India, which refused to join Group of Seven sanctions against Russia, reportedly are buying oil at a discount of $30 to $40 per barrel, while American and European consumers are paying the full price.
 
Washington’s earlier boasts of driving Russian President Vladimir Putin from power, destroying Russia’s capacity to make war and halving the size of the Russian economy look ridiculous in retrospect.

The world economy is reeling from supply shocks in energy and food provoked by Western sanctions on Russia
. Monetary policy can reduce inflation only by forcing consumers to stop buying, which forces retailers to liquidate inventory at lower prices and crushes demand for raw materials – a cure that is worse than the disease.

Russia meanwhile earned a record €93 billion (US$97 billion) from energy exports during the first 100 days of the war, a Finnish study concluded. China and India, which refused to join Group of Seven sanctions against Russia, reportedly are buying oil at a discount of $30 to $40 per barrel, while American and European consumers are paying the full price.

The European Central Bank convened an emergency meeting on June 15 to address the deterioration of its weakest members and promised yet-to-be-specified measures to prevent the “fragmentation” of the European Union.

The Biden administration vastly underestimated the inflationary impact of the $6 trillion Covid stimulus package, which began under Donald Trump’s administration but doubled under Biden.

It underestimated the resilience of the Russian economy and the capabilities of the Russian military.

France and Germany on February 15 asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to comply with the Minsk II agreement, then supported by Moscow, which would have given autonomy to Russian-speaking regions in the Donbas within a sovereign Ukraine.

At Washington’s prompting, Zelensky rejected a February 19 proposal from German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to avoid war. Michael Gordon reported on April 1 in The Wall Street Journal:



The hapless Zelensky did not invent the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine. He was given assurances by Washington and London, which stepped up weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

The United States won’t tell Ukraine what to do, Undersecretary Kahl declared. But that doesn’t prevent other governments from making Zelensky an offer he can’t refuse. Zelensky adviser Oleksiy Arestovych told Germany’s Bild-Zeitung on June 16 that German Chancellor Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian President Mario Draghi might deliver such a demand to Zelensky during their current visit to Kiev.

The Zelensky aide said he feared that Scholz, Macron and Draghi “will try to get a Minsk III. They will say that we need to end the war that is causing food problems and economic problems, that Russians and Ukrainians are dying, that we need to save Mr Putin’s face, that the Russians made mistakes and that we need to forgive and give them a chance to return to world society.”

Germany’s leading center-right daily Die Welt commented: “Kiev is beginning to have doubts about the solidarity of the West. Voices are being raised calling for peace efforts. In particular, a statement by NATO chief Stoltenberg points to a change of course.”

Die Welt referred to a June 12 speech in which NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated: “The question is: What price are you willing to pay for peace? How much territory? How much independence? How much sovereignty? How much freedom? How much democracy are you willing to sacrifice for peace? And that’s a very difficult moral dilemma.”
https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/biden-stares-down-from-ukraine-economic-ledge/

NATO membership was never on the cards, stop spouting the same old bollox over and over.
 
NATO membership was never on the cards, stop spouting the same old bollox over and over.
NATO promised Ukraine full membership in 2008 (MAP)
Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.
 
Washington’s earlier boasts of driving Russian President Vladimir Putin from power, destroying Russia’s capacity to make war and halving the size of the Russian economy look ridiculous in retrospect.

The world economy is reeling from supply shocks in energy and food provoked by Western sanctions on Russia
. Monetary policy can reduce inflation only by forcing consumers to stop buying, which forces retailers to liquidate inventory at lower prices and crushes demand for raw materials – a cure that is worse than the disease.

Russia meanwhile earned a record €93 billion (US$97 billion) from energy exports during the first 100 days of the war, a Finnish study concluded. China and India, which refused to join Group of Seven sanctions against Russia, reportedly are buying oil at a discount of $30 to $40 per barrel, while American and European consumers are paying the full price.

The European Central Bank convened an emergency meeting on June 15 to address the deterioration of its weakest members and promised yet-to-be-specified measures to prevent the “fragmentation” of the European Union.

The Biden administration vastly underestimated the inflationary impact of the $6 trillion Covid stimulus package, which began under Donald Trump’s administration but doubled under Biden.

It underestimated the resilience of the Russian economy and the capabilities of the Russian military.

France and Germany on February 15 asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to comply with the Minsk II agreement, then supported by Moscow, which would have given autonomy to Russian-speaking regions in the Donbas within a sovereign Ukraine.

At Washington’s prompting, Zelensky rejected a February 19 proposal from German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to avoid war. Michael Gordon reported on April 1 in The Wall Street Journal:



The hapless Zelensky did not invent the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine. He was given assurances by Washington and London, which stepped up weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

The United States won’t tell Ukraine what to do, Undersecretary Kahl declared. But that doesn’t prevent other governments from making Zelensky an offer he can’t refuse. Zelensky adviser Oleksiy Arestovych told Germany’s Bild-Zeitung on June 16 that German Chancellor Scholz, French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian President Mario Draghi might deliver such a demand to Zelensky during their current visit to Kiev.

The Zelensky aide said he feared that Scholz, Macron and Draghi “will try to get a Minsk III. They will say that we need to end the war that is causing food problems and economic problems, that Russians and Ukrainians are dying, that we need to save Mr Putin’s face, that the Russians made mistakes and that we need to forgive and give them a chance to return to world society.”

Germany’s leading center-right daily Die Welt commented: “Kiev is beginning to have doubts about the solidarity of the West. Voices are being raised calling for peace efforts. In particular, a statement by NATO chief Stoltenberg points to a change of course.”

Die Welt referred to a June 12 speech in which NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated: “The question is: What price are you willing to pay for peace? How much territory? How much independence? How much sovereignty? How much freedom? How much democracy are you willing to sacrifice for peace? And that’s a very difficult moral dilemma.”
https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/biden-stares-down-from-ukraine-economic-ledge/
Yep Biden should have done everything that is in the government's power to increase oil production. That would have helped decrease the price of oil and that would have taken petro dollars out of Putin's pocket. By Biden's anti oil policies it took the queen off of Biden's chess board. Biden is playing checkers while Putin is playing chess.
 
Yep Biden should have done everything that is in the government's power to increase oil production. That would have helped decrease the price of oil and that would have taken petro dollars out of Putin's pocket. By Biden's anti oil policies it took the queen off of Biden's chess board. Biden is playing checkers while Putin is playing chess.
China and India are getting cheap oil. we are getting inflation and a probable recession
not our war
 
NATO promised Ukraine full membership in 2008 (MAP)
Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

I don't believe it was ever a serious proposition, even if it was, it would have kicked into long grass. The word aspiration is diplomat code for not in the foreseeable future.

Look at their proposition to increase the contributions to increase member contributions to 2% of GDP. That was 2006 and even now only seven have fulfilled their promises.
 
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I don't believe it was ever a serious proposition, even if it was it would have kicked into long grass.
well Biden just promised it. Europe is talking EU. Both are seriously bad ideas.
Kissinger whom I have no love for understands the NATO expansion right up to and including Ukraine is a recipe for instability and endless war

If Ukraine were in NATO we'd have US/NATO boots on the ground..unacceptable.

Time for Zelensky to realize he can't "win" - Russia cant take Kyiv, and suffered badly for trying
but it can grind out territorial gains in Donbas. longer range weapons aint gonna do it,
Uk is using inexperienced reserves / Russia is hurting as well.

The way our of this is talks - not more militarization
 
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