BAC'S boy chavez stealing more companies

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CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez ordered the takeover of at least six metal, ceramic and other companies Thursday, accelerating his push to spread socialism and build "an industrial complex" in Venezuela.

The companies include Venezuelan steelmaker Siderurgica Venezolana SA, ceramic tile-maker Ceramica Carabobo, and iron producer Materiales Siderurgicos SA, or Matesi. Matesi is owned by the Argentine-Italian conglomerate Techint through its Luxembourg-based subsidiary Tenaris.

Also affected is iron producer Complejo Siderurgico de Guayana, whose shareholders include Japanese investment conglomerate Marubeni Corp., Japanese steelmaker Kobe Steel Ltd., and Mexico's Tubos de Acero de Mexico SA.

Chavez said the move will help Venezuela reduce reliance on imports and boost local industry.

"We're planning a single large, integrated industrial complex," he said.

Chavez's government has nationalized major steel, cement, electricity, telecommunications and oil projects since 2006 in a bid to expand the reach of the state. In the last month it has seized 75 oil contracting firms, many of which said they are owed money by state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA.
 
Topspin said:
CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez ordered the takeover of at least six metal, ceramic and other companies Thursday, accelerating his push to spread socialism and build "an industrial complex" in Venezuela.

The companies include Venezuelan steelmaker Siderurgica Venezolana SA, ceramic tile-maker Ceramica Carabobo, and iron producer Materiales Siderurgicos SA, or Matesi. Matesi is owned by the Argentine-Italian conglomerate Techint through its Luxembourg-based subsidiary Tenaris.

Also affected is iron producer Complejo Siderurgico de Guayana, whose shareholders include Japanese investment conglomerate Marubeni Corp., Japanese steelmaker Kobe Steel Ltd., and Mexico's Tubos de Acero de Mexico SA.

Chavez said the move will help Venezuela reduce reliance on imports and boost local industry.

"We're planning a single large, integrated industrial complex," he said.

Chavez's government has nationalized major steel, cement, electricity, telecommunications and oil projects since 2006 in a bid to expand the reach of the state. In the last month it has seized 75 oil contracting firms, many of which said they are owed money by state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA.
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Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!
 
One thing for certain. Hugo is not your typical Banna Republic dictator that sells his country out to foreign corporate interests.
That is why the corpies hate him.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!
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LOLZ Toppy is NeoCon!!! Take that bad boy! :cof1:
 
Taichiliberal said:
Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!
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Did he pay the owners fair market value?
 
Topspin said:
CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez ordered the takeover of at least six metal, ceramic and other companies Thursday, accelerating his push to spread socialism and build "an industrial complex" in Venezuela.

The companies include Venezuelan steelmaker Siderurgica Venezolana SA, ceramic tile-maker Ceramica Carabobo, and iron producer Materiales Siderurgicos SA, or Matesi. Matesi is owned by the Argentine-Italian conglomerate Techint through its Luxembourg-based subsidiary Tenaris.

Also affected is iron producer Complejo Siderurgico de Guayana, whose shareholders include Japanese investment conglomerate Marubeni Corp., Japanese steelmaker Kobe Steel Ltd., and Mexico's Tubos de Acero de Mexico SA.

Chavez said the move will help Venezuela reduce reliance on imports and boost local industry.

"We're planning a single large, integrated industrial complex," he said.

Chavez's government has nationalized major steel, cement, electricity, telecommunications and oil projects since 2006 in a bid to expand the reach of the state. In the last month it has seized 75 oil contracting firms, many of which said they are owed money by state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA.
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He's about 2 years ahead of Obama.
 
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Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!


Southern Man said:
Did he pay the owners fair market value?
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Naaa-unnh, bunky. I asked first. Your boy made the statement, the burden of proof is on him...or YOU if you're taking up the gauntlet for him. I'm sick and tired of doing the homework for every neocon foghorn that needs to vent.
 
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Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!

lol....documentation that Chavez stole industries in the country....he didn't particularly need the military you moron...
Jesus H. Christ...only a pinhead would defend the likes of Chavez...
Obama gives a private company and $15Billion to the UAW and this pinhead is still on the "hate Bush" bandwagon...how pathetic:321:


Naaa-unnh, bunky. I asked first. Your boy made the statement, the burden of proof is on him...or YOU if you're taking up the gauntlet for him. I'm sick and tired of doing the homework for every neocon foghorn that needs to vent.
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Taichiliberal said:
Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!
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ANYTIME the dictator of a country takes over a corporation he does it with his military EVEN IF they didn't show up when the government officials seized the businesses. Dictators by their very nature use the threat of military or police force every time they take something from someone, be it their freedom, their homes or their businesses. Don't pretend this was some friendly take over where the owners of the businesses were glad to be rid of their property. It was theft pure and simple. Just like if some thug walked into your house tonight and stole your property from you. Maybe that should happen to you so you have a better idea what the business people who had their property stolen went through.
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!

lol....documentation that Chavez stole industries in the country....he didn't particularly need the military you moron...
Jesus H. Christ...only a pinhead would defend the likes of Chavez...

*Sigh* Your boy made a statement, I asked him to give proof. To date, he hasn't...instead I get more BS supposition and conjecture from neocon chuckleheads. Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, chuckles.:cof1:
Obama gives a private company and $15Billion to the UAW and this pinhead is still on the "hate Bush" bandwagon...how pathetic *Sigh* Wipe the spittle from your mouth, calm down and THINK before you type. What does your addle brained flatulence about Obama have to do with the subject at hand, of which your compadre has yet to prove his accusation of "theft"?


Naaa-unnh, bunky. I asked first. Your boy made the statement, the burden of proof is on him...or YOU if you're taking up the gauntlet for him. I'm sick and tired of doing the homework for every neocon foghorn that needs to vent.
 
Socrtease said:
ANYTIME the dictator of a country takes over a corporation he does it with his military EVEN IF they didn't show up when the government officials seized the businesses. Dictators by their very nature use the threat of military or police force every time they take something from someone, be it their freedom, their homes or their businesses. Don't pretend this was some friendly take over where the owners of the businesses were glad to be rid of their property. It was theft pure and simple. Just like if some thug walked into your house tonight and stole your property from you. Maybe that should happen to you so you have a better idea what the business people who had their property stolen went through.
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First off, Chavez was elected, and his mandate for unlimited bids for re-elections was rejected (if there has been changes in that, let me know...I may have missed it). Secondly, little to know detail was given by the poster as to how this nationalization was done....so essentially you have a lot of rabid anti-Chavez speculation, supposition and conjecture. In countries such as England or Sweden or Australia, there has been nationalization of businesses for various reasons. I don't recall anyone screaming about "theft" then. So until further information is given, the cries of "theft" are at best, sheer speculation.
 
Hola, capitalist running dogs.

You like make great play of internal Venezuelan politic?

You criticize Venezuelan people for reject capitalist model of bullshit?

How many American even identify Venezuela on map? How many American make definition of Socialism? How many American spell as good as Venezuelan child of 6 years?

What business of American what Venezuelan people want? American take notice of Venezuelan people when drown Arab in Cuba? American democracy and Venezuelan democracy not so different after all.

America nationalize, we nationalize. America lecture Venezuela on capitalism like pig talking to sheep. Fuck in your house.
 
Hugo Chavez said:
Hola, capitalist running dogs.

You like make great play of internal Venezuelan politic?

You criticize Venezuelan people for reject capitalist model of bullshit?

How many American even identify Venezuela on map? How many American make definition of Socialism? How many American spell as good as Venezuelan child of 6 years?

What business of American what Venezuelan people want? American take notice of Venezuelan people when drown Arab in Cuba? American democracy and Venezuelan democracy not so different after all.

America nationalize, we nationalize. America lecture Venezuela on capitalism like pig talking to sheep. Fuck in your house.
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Sweeet! A new troll!
 
Taichiliberal said:
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Now of course you have documentation that Chavez used military force to nationalize all those industries. If you don't, then he didn't "steal" anything. Funny how you jumped to that conclusion, yet you had no problem with the Shrub & company "stealing" your money to support Wall St. and private banks without any Congressional oversight. You neocons are something else!

lol....documentation that Chavez stole industries in the country....he didn't particularly need the military you moron...
Jesus H. Christ...only a pinhead would defend the likes of Chavez...

*Sigh* Your boy made a statement, I asked him to give proof. To date, he hasn't...instead I get more BS supposition and conjecture from neocon chuckleheads. Bottom line: if the original statement cannot be logically and/or factually proved, it's WRONG. Laugh that one off, chuckles.:cof1:
Obama gives a private company and $15Billion to the UAW and this pinhead is still on the "hate Bush" bandwagon...how pathetic *Sigh* Wipe the spittle from your mouth, calm down and THINK before you type. What does your addle brained flatulence about Obama have to do with the subject at hand, of which your compadre has yet to prove his accusation of "theft"?


Naaa-unnh, bunky. I asked first. Your boy made the statement, the burden of proof is on him...or YOU if you're taking up the gauntlet for him. I'm sick and tired of doing the homework for every neocon foghorn that needs to vent.
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Stealing companies is the subject at hand....

You defend a dictator that undeniably stole and nationalized companys....(I don't need to prove whats obvious, like the earth is round either)

I just point out a domestic thief stealing the car company...firing its CEO, then giving a part of that company to a union...and as icing on this little dessert..giving them $15 billion of taxpayers money....
Really, I shouldn't have to explain everything to you, Skippy...
 
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Socrtease said:
ANYTIME the dictator of a country takes over a corporation he does it with his military EVEN IF they didn't show up when the government officials seized the businesses. Dictators by their very nature use the threat of military or police force every time they take something from someone, be it their freedom, their homes or their businesses. Don't pretend this was some friendly take over where the owners of the businesses were glad to be rid of their property. It was theft pure and simple. Just like if some thug walked into your house tonight and stole your property from you. Maybe that should happen to you so you have a better idea what the business people who had their property stolen went through.
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Yeah, because, as we all know, it's not fallacious to directly compare the actions of society acting collectively to the actions of a member of society acting individually. Because that argument doesn't just reduce to anarchism.
 
Yeah Soc some dictartors even sell out their countries resources to benefit US and other foreign nations above the citizens of their own country and they use their militiary as well.
Unless we send in some CIA types and such to help out with the raping of their country.


But then some do not.
 
Whomever said:
Yeah Soc some dictartors even sell out their countries resources to benefit US and other foreign nations above the citizens of their own country and they use their militiary as well.
Unless we send in some CIA types and such to help out with the raping of their country.


But then some do not.
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I don't think he should do that either. I don't like dictators. I didn't like Samoza, I don't like Castro, likewise Noriega, Ortega or Mao. They are all evil, they all seek to limit their people's freedoms and steal their people's property. They all suck.
 
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