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Dixie - In Memoriam

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Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'repudiation' of God? They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for denouncing the belief and faith in God. It's a very revealing psychological phenomenon, they are living in abject denial. Because of the denial, they feel compelled to defend themselves, speak out on their views, have you agree with them to feed their codependent behavior. This social reassurance they glean from the masses, is very important to the Atheist, it enables them to cope with the uncertainty of what they are doing.

The one most certainly universal and unforgivable sin is the complete denunciation of God. It kinda doesn't matter what you believe in, to denounce it completely is sort of a big deal. For this reason, many Atheists will hide behind the label of "Agnostic" ...which basically means the same thing as Atheist, only an "Agnostic" is saying, they aren't quite ready to make that leap into complete denunciation of God just yet, they may have a few more questions.

It is my theory, only a very few humans do not believe in anything greater than self. Some "Atheists" are the biggest believers in God. Keep in mind, psychological denial instincts dictate, you have to convince yourself of something before you can ever convince others. Many Atheists have convinced themselves so well, they will never.... See The Light! :)

You see, one scientifically proven aspect of human behavior, is our profound connection to spirituality. It is our definitive unique quality which makes us humans, and different from our 96% DNA cousin, the chimpanzee. It's the thing that 'evolution theory' can't explain or account for, it defies the principles of Darwin because it's a trait not found in our predecessors anywhere, and it's essential to us being humans, practicing humanity, enabling civilization itself. Where did it come from? What caused this anomaly? From the unearthing of our earliest civilizations, we find evidence of spiritual belief in humans. We have this inclination hard wired into us as humans, there is nothing we can do about it... except, deny it. Some of us do choose to do that, but have you ever noticed how miserable they are? Constantly dissatisfied, frustrated, searching for something, trying to find it through indulgence and promiscuity, self-pleasure. The sad thing is, they will never find the answer there.
 
You mean all this time i should have been reading and repudiating rather than just not being bothered?

This wasn't in the atheist handbook.

How red is my face now? (Very. You hit the N on the H with the self pleasure part)
 
Dixie.

I denounce god completely. He's just an irrational concept. When pushed, deists or whatever the fuck always then like to say that god is everything, or god is energy, but those are already concepts known respectively as "everything", and "energy".

god is the concept of centralized power and omnipotence. God is triumph over the individual, which is why totalitarians from all "sides" of the spectrum love religion and the power of hypocrisy and control it provides.

I do believe in morality though:

Morality is a set of behaviors and attitudes which facilitate voluntary, cooperative, and mutually beneficial relationships between individuals.
 
The atheists that I know in my personal life do indeed believe in something.

The believe in the human spirit, the human intellect, and the human capacity for invention.
 
Dixie, you're right with regards to "militant atheists". Most though are simply too stupid and lazy to bother.
 
Dixie said:
Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'repudiation' of God? They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for denouncing the belief and faith in God.
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Perhaps you should look at it this way. One reads the Bible and discovers the horrors attributed to God and say to themselves, "That's not someone I'm going to worship."

For example, the total destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Any reasonable person would conclude there were innocent children in those cities as there are in any city/town, therefore, God deliberately destroyed children. (More on this later.)

Now, take a Kurd living in Iraq back in the late 1980s. Saddam used chemical weapons and destroyed thousands of inhabitants in numerous villages. Would one suggest worshiping Saddam because he was "all-powerful"?

The point being it's not just a question of whether or not there is a "God" or some alien posing as one. The question becomes is that someone we want to worship? Is that someone who deserves the title of "God"?

As for the children in Sodom and Gomorrah a possible theory put forward has to do with the mention of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:1-7. The Bible tells us the Nephilim were the offspring produced by the "daughters of men" and the "sons of God". While the "sons of God" may refer to aliens or to a race of humans simultaneously created along with Adam and Eve it appears the result was the mating of the "sons of God" with the "daughters of men" resulted in mankind becoming wicked.

One could speculate the DNA mixing/combining of the "daughters of men" and the "sons of God" resulted in God's creation becoming FUBAR, thus, the necessity for total annihilation by flood. That, I would consider to be a definite extenuating circumstance.

Furthermore, the Bible and teachers of the Bible go to great lengths to say we are all born with sin. It has been suggested that even Noah's family had some DNA resulting from the union of the "sons of God" with the "daughters of men". In other words our very DNA is corrupt which might explain why there is such consternation where sex is concerned to the point where some consider sex to be the "original sin". If the combining of the different DNA is indeed the problem then it's logical to consider the action which did/does so, sex, to be the original sin.

In conclusion, when one speaks of God I imagine many associate it with the God of the Christian/Jewish belief, the God mentioned in the Bible. When one denies belief in God they may very well be saying they deny that the God in the Bible is a God which is certainly understandable considering the aforementioned FUBAR result of His work.

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Dixie said:
Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'repudiation' of God? They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for denouncing the belief and faith in God. It's a very revealing psychological phenomenon, they are living in abject denial. Because of the denial, they feel compelled to defend themselves, speak out on their views, have you agree with them to feed their codependent behavior. This social reassurance they glean from the masses, is very important to the Atheist, it enables them to cope with the uncertainty of what they are doing.

The one most certainly universal and unforgivable sin is the complete denunciation of God. It kinda doesn't matter what you believe in, to denounce it completely is sort of a big deal. For this reason, many Atheists will hide behind the label of "Agnostic" ...which basically means the same thing as Atheist, only an "Agnostic" is saying, they aren't quite ready to make that leap into complete denunciation of God just yet, they may have a few more questions.

It is my theory, only a very few humans do not believe in anything greater than self. Some "Atheists" are the biggest believers in God. Keep in mind, psychological denial instincts dictate, you have to convince yourself of something before you can ever convince others. Many Atheists have convinced themselves so well, they will never.... See The Light! :)

You see, one scientifically proven aspect of human behavior, is our profound connection to spirituality. It is our definitive unique quality which makes us humans, and different from our 96% DNA cousin, the chimpanzee. It's the thing that 'evolution theory' can't explain or account for, it defies the principles of Darwin because it's a trait not found in our predecessors anywhere, and it's essential to us being humans, practicing humanity, enabling civilization itself. Where did it come from? What caused this anomaly? From the unearthing of our earliest civilizations, we find evidence of spiritual belief in humans. We have this inclination hard wired into us as humans, there is nothing we can do about it... except, deny it. Some of us do choose to do that, but have you ever noticed how miserable they are? Constantly dissatisfied, frustrated, searching for something, trying to find it through indulgence and promiscuity, self-pleasure. The sad thing is, they will never find the answer there.
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I believe that Dixie is, once again, trying to imply that atheists use faith as much as the religious. I also believe he failed to make a compelling argument for that.
 
Personally, my study of the bible occured, mostly, before I rejected faith or belief in the supernatural. I may never have rejected those things, otherwise. I still believe in most of what the bible teaches and it is the fact that religion rejects those teachings that lead me to doubt the supernatural aspects as hogwash.
 
RStringfield said:
Personally, my study of the bible occured, mostly, before I rejected faith or belief in the supernatural. I may never have rejected those things, otherwise. I still believe in most of what the bible teaches and it is the fact that religion rejects those teachings that lead me to doubt the supernatural aspects as hogwash.
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How can you reject faith and belief in the supernatural but still believe in most of what the bible teaches?

What is left? the tribalism?
 
Dixie said:
Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'repudiation' of God?

They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for denouncing the belief and faith in God.

It's a very revealing psychological phenomenon, they are living in abject denial. Because of the denial, they feel compelled to defend themselves, speak out on their views, have you agree with them to feed their codependent behavior.

This social reassurance they glean from the masses, is very important to the Atheist, it enables them to cope with the uncertainty of what they are doing.

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Wow, you're like a mind-reader, or something. This sounds totally just like me! I'm always astonished at the ability of wingnut message boarders to leverage their assumptions and paranoia about other anonymous message boarders, and come up with insightful and accurate conclusions!




All hail Satan!
 
Southern Man said:
See, Dixie was right, you do believe in something. :pke:
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Yeah. So? The idea that atheists claim not to believe in anything is nothing but a straw man. Dixie is right about something that is uncontroversial and uncontested. He is trying to imply something else with this straw man and fails.

The religious are not criticized for belief alone, but for belief in something without sufficient proof, and based on little more than appeal to emotion, the number of believers and the tradition of the belief.
 
RStringfield said:
Yeah. So? The idea that atheists claim not to believe in anything is nothing but a straw man. Dixie is right about something that is uncontroversial and uncontested. He is trying to imply something else with this straw man and fails.

The religious are not criticized for belief alone, but for belief in something without sufficient proof, and based on little more than appeal to emotion, the number of believers and the tradition of the belief.
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There's plenty of evidence to support my Faith, Dick. You militant atheists simply raise the bar continuously to deny that the overwhelming evidence that I and others provide you proves His existence. The only reasonable explanation of that behavior is that you yourself have "faith" in the totally unreasonable assertion that the world around you was created by pure happenstance. :)
 
Dixie said:
Isn't it amazing how often you see them post their 'repudiation' of God? They spend inordinate amounts of their personal time and life, researching scriptures, developing their convoluted justifications for denouncing the belief and faith in God. It's a very revealing psychological phenomenon, they are living in abject denial. Because of the denial, they feel compelled to defend themselves, speak out on their views, have you agree with them to feed their codependent behavior. This social reassurance they glean from the masses, is very important to the Atheist, it enables them to cope with the uncertainty of what they are doing.

The one most certainly universal and unforgivable sin is the complete denunciation of God. It kinda doesn't matter what you believe in, to denounce it completely is sort of a big deal. For this reason, many Atheists will hide behind the label of "Agnostic" ...which basically means the same thing as Atheist, only an "Agnostic" is saying, they aren't quite ready to make that leap into complete denunciation of God just yet, they may have a few more questions.

It is my theory, only a very few humans do not believe in anything greater than self. Some "Atheists" are the biggest believers in God. Keep in mind, psychological denial instincts dictate, you have to convince yourself of something before you can ever convince others. Many Atheists have convinced themselves so well, they will never.... See The Light! :)

You see, one scientifically proven aspect of human behavior, is our profound connection to spirituality. It is our definitive unique quality which makes us humans, and different from our 96% DNA cousin, the chimpanzee. It's the thing that 'evolution theory' can't explain or account for, it defies the principles of Darwin because it's a trait not found in our predecessors anywhere, and it's essential to us being humans, practicing humanity, enabling civilization itself. Where did it come from? What caused this anomaly? From the unearthing of our earliest civilizations, we find evidence of spiritual belief in humans. We have this inclination hard wired into us as humans, there is nothing we can do about it... except, deny it. Some of us do choose to do that, but have you ever noticed how miserable they are? Constantly dissatisfied, frustrated, searching for something, trying to find it through indulgence and promiscuity, self-pleasure. The sad thing is, they will never find the answer there.
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