As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

The Kremlin deputy chief of staff, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.

Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.

But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory. “Putin simply changed the plan as he went along," said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership. The upshot: the deal was dropped.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...te=1&user_id=00bc103eef4b304b3578eadcd20dcfc0

 

[moon]

Hearsay. Propaganda. Take your pick.

 

[martin]

Hearsay. Propaganda. Take your pick.

"Very possibly true" is a third choice to consider. A "chief envoy" on Ukraine isn't a nobody. Kozak is a long time ally of Putin's, the report comes from Reuters and is backed by three sources. A refusal by Putin to go along with the proposal also would be consistent with his reported desire to remake some of the USSR. Here's Kozak's Wiki entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Kozak

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Zelensky wouldn't agree to Putin's demand to remove all the nazis from his government, starting with himself. There were none, so he couldn't.

 

[moon]

"Very possibly true" is a third choice to consider. A "chief envoy" on Ukraine isn't a nobody. Kozak is a long time ally of Putin's, the report comes from Reuters and is backed by three sources. A refusal by Putin to go along with the proposal also would be consistent with his reported desire to remake some of the USSR. Here's Kozak's Wiki entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Kozak

You pick your choice according to your propaganda conditioning. I don't have any such manufactured allegiances. The world was watching closely as NATO refused Russia's border security requests. At the time this claim would have been pro-NATO/Ukraine headline gold. It wasn't. Therefore it isn't to my way of reasoning.

Reuters Schmoiters.

 

[martin]

You pick your choice according to your propaganda conditioning. I don't have any such manufactured allegiances. The world was watching closely as NATO refused Russia's border security requests. At the time this claim would have been pro-NATO/Ukraine headline gold. It wasn't. Therefore it isn't to my way of reasoning.

Reuters Schmoiters.

In other words you've made your choice.

Well, even if you're right the report could be trouble for Putin in a Kremlin that's become infected with doubt over the brilliance of his Ukraine adventure.

 

[moon]

' In other words ' ? Why do people always have to try to edited anything which challenges their conditioning ?

 

[martin]

' In other words ' ? Why do people always have to try to edited anything which challenges their conditioning ?

Sorry, the comment only meant to say that you seem to have chosen to believe the report is bogus when you have no information that it is bogus. Or, if you have that information, you've not shared it.

 

[ExpressLane]

Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

The Kremlin deputy chief of staff, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.

Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.

But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory. “Putin simply changed the plan as he went along," said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership. The upshot: the deal was dropped.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...te=1&user_id=00bc103eef4b304b3578eadcd20dcfc0

Putin attacked Ukraine BECAUSE they were not in NATO. This was always about Russia's expansionism desires.

 

[moon]

Sorry, the comment only meant to say that you seem to have chosen to believe the report is bogus when you have no information that it is bogus. Or, if you have that information, you've not shared it.

I've explained my reasoning . Where is your explanation for your viewpoint ?

 

[martin]

I've explained my reasoning . Where is your explanation for your viewpoint ?

You only referred back to your defense of the invasion when it happened. I don't have a viewpoint on this report other than that it's plausible given the state of things. Maybe it's overblown. Things like this often are. Maybe it's on the money.

 

[moon]

You only referred back to your defense of the invasion when it happened. I don't have a viewpoint on this report other than that it's plausible given the state of things. Maybe it's overblown. Things like this often are. Maybe it's on the money.

You'd best read #5 again.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hearsay. Propaganda. Take your pick.

Jihadist love of Putin is my pick, Ms. Moon.

Care to bet on how long Putin lasts before Russian citizens take him down? LOL

Remember the Arab Spring, dear? People like freedom.

 

[moon]

Jihadist love of Putin is my pick, Ms. Moon.

Care to bet on how long Putin lasts before Russian citizens take him down? LOL

Remember the Arab Spring, dear? People like freedom.

Stick to upskirting, you racist prick. Politics ain't your thing.

 

[signalmankenneth]

Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

The Kremlin deputy chief of staff, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.

Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.

But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory. “Putin simply changed the plan as he went along," said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership. The upshot: the deal was dropped.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...te=1&user_id=00bc103eef4b304b3578eadcd20dcfc0

All this death and destruction in Ukraine could've been prevented, if not for another unstable genius, and fool?!! Ukraine was willing to forgo joining NATO for peace?!!

War Criminal!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Stick to upskirting, you racist prick. Politics ain't your thing.

^^^ Proof Ms. Moon supports Putin and was against Arab Spring.

 

[moon]

^^^
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Weirdo. Maybe drunk.