As democrats plan for 2018 and beyond, they would be wise to keep Sanders at distance

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As the Trump nightmare comes crashing down as everyone with a brain knew that it would, democrats are giddy with excitement over their prospects for returning to power. Undoubtedly, democrats will capture many seats they've lost in the coming midterms. The party in power almost always loses seats in the midterms .. and this party in power is particularly putrid, self-serving, and seriously ineffective.

That being said, democrats would be wise to keep Bernie Sanders marginalized and out of the fore-front of their efforts.

Start from here .. Sanders would not have won in 2016. He was the republicans preferred candidate to run against, and they had the research that would have ended his campaign. Hillary Clinton knew about what was in that research, and had damning research of her own on Sanders, but refused to use it. Mistake.

Republicans tried everything they could to get Clinton out and Sanders in, because they wouldn't have needed the Russians nor anybody else to beat Sanders.

As we all rightfully denounce the Pussy Grabber, imagine supporting a candidate who has fantasies about gang rape?

“A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously,” Mr. Sanders wrote.

In another passage, he wrote: “Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like, “Girl, 12, raped by 14 men” sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?’’

Sure, he apologized ..

“It was a poorly written article dealing with gender stereotypes of the period, in the sense that a lot of men have the feel to be all powerful and controlling’’

“Women have the feeling they have to be dependent. It was very poorly written in a way I certainly would not write it now. But if you read it, what you find is that is a bad situation for both people: women shouldn’t be dependent. Men should not be oppressors. We want a society where people are equal. That was what it was about.’’

But imagine that apology in the middle of a presidential campaign. All arguments about grabbing pussy are gone.

Bernie Sanders Recants 1972 Article on Women’s Fantasies of Rape
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/fi...wns-1972-article-on-womens-fantasies-of-rape/

Unfortunately, Sander's foibles don't stop there.

Imagine a progressive democratic candidate who co-sponsored legislation to dump Vermont's nuclear waste on a poor Hispanic community.

What About Sierra Blanca, Bernie?

Bernie Sanders made a cold political calculation in 1998 that affected the lives of hundreds of poor, powerless people half a country away. He did it because it would benefit his affluent, politically engaged constituency, and, in turn, benefit him.

Back in the early 1990s, the state of Vermont had a problem. The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant was generating tons and tons of radioactive waste, but there was nowhere palatable in the state to store it. The only town which was willing to study the possibility, Vernon, was deemed “geologically unstable.” No other towns in Vermont, quite reasonably, wanted the waste.

By October of 1998, Vermont had a solution.

A deal had been worked out between Vermont’s Congressional representation, Texas Representative Joe Barton, and then-Governor George W. Bush. The legislation, which was cosponsored and championed by then-Representative Bernie Sanders, was signed by President Bill Clinton in 1998.

Senator Paul Wellstone, who is often mentioned in the same breath as Sanders among the latter’s supporters, was opposed to the legislation.

The people of Vermont didn’t have much of a problem with the deal. But Texans and their Mexican neighbors over the Rio Grande were outraged.

A delegation from Texas reached out to Sanders and tried to reason with him, citing the environmental and human degradation the waste site would create. They thought they would get an empathetic response from the nominal socialist.

They were wrong.

Sanders’s reply was curt, abrupt, and final:

“My position is unchanged and you’re not going to like it.” When asked if he would at least visit the proposed site in Sierra Blanca, he said: “Absolutely not. I’m gonna to be running for re-election in the state of Vermont.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eoin-higgins/what-about-sierra-blanca-bernie_b_9233818.html

It doesn't stop there. He had almost zero chance of winning.

In 2018, choose wisely .. but leave Bernie Sanders at home.
 
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you're a self proclaimed socialist; why would you not want someone who ostensibly represents your beliefs to lead the party?
 
it's easy to say he wouldn't have won but he would have gotten the turnout Cackling Clinton did not,,
but he's old news -he's burning himself out, and his wife is under investigation (America 21st century -everybody get's investigated)

Kamala HArris is the fresh face


The Bridgehampton event, where Harris mingled with top donors and supporters of Hillary Clinton, was the ultimate signal that Harris is “thinking much bigger” than the Senate, one top bundler said.

“She’s running for president. Take it to the bank,” another fundraiser said. “She’s absolutely going to run.”Donors say Harris is giving them a glimmer of hope when they need it the most.

They see the former prosecutor-turned-California attorney general as embodying the qualities a Democratic presidential candidate would need to win the White House in 2020.

They also see the 52-year-old African-American woman as a fresh face.

The Hill also describes Harris’s recent viral videos, in which she is rebuked by the chair in Senate committee hearings for interrupting and badgering witnesses, including Cabinet members. Reporter Amie Parnes adopts Democrats’ spin on those exchanges, writing that Harris “was twice shushed by Republican senators.”
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you're a self proclaimed socialist; why would you not want someone who ostensibly represents your beliefs to lead the party?

Sanders is a nominal socialist at best .. who has never seen a weapon of war he doesn't like.

Most socialists did not support Bernie Sanders.

Why Socialists Can’t Wait for Bernie to Lose
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/why-socialists-cant-wait-for-bernie-to-lose-213593

Real Socialists Think Bernie’s a Sellout
Sanders has been criticized by establishment Democrats for identifying as a socialist—but when we asked actual socialists about him, let’s just say they are unimpressed.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/real-socialists-think-bernies-a-sellout

Don't get it twisted. My personal issues with Sanders' band of socialism has no bearing on why I believe he should be marginalized.
 
it's easy to say he wouldn't have won but he would have gotten the turnout Cackling Clinton did not,,
but he's old news -he's burning himself out, and his wife is under investigation (America 21st century -everybody get's investigated)

Kamala HArris is the fresh face


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I don't disagree with some of your points, but this thread was meant to speak to those democrats who think Sanders should lead the charge back to power.
 
they need something else. Warren is old news. Harries is getting the big money. do dems still want big money politics?
 
they need something else. Warren is old news. Harries is getting the big money. do dems still want big money politics?

Kamala Harris is indeed the fresh face .. but fresh faces don't always add up to victories.

Elections cost huge dollars, thus democrats will have to walk the line between big corporate money and policies that address the danger of corporate money and its influence.
 
Sanders was sidelined by the corrupt DNC, as illustrated by the HACKED DNC e-mails, because he was TOO wacko. While I am surprised that the DNC leadership, who is whacko, wouldn't embrace the lunatic Sanders, I am all in for him getting the nod next election.

As a matter of fact, I believe that it is Maxine Waters time to become the next FEMALE nominee of the Party of the Jackass. Why not her???

Here she is doing what every brain dead lying leftist nutjob on the planet loves and agrees with:

 
Kamala Harris is indeed the fresh face .. but fresh faces don't always add up to victories.

Elections cost huge dollars, thus democrats will have to walk the line between big corporate money and policies that address the danger of corporate money and its influence.

Fascinating, yet when Obama admitted he didn't have the resume, inexperience was just fine. Liberals are not just sociopathic liars, but massive hypocrites as well.
 
Kamala Harris is indeed the fresh face .. but fresh faces don't always add up to victories.

Elections cost huge dollars, thus democrats will have to walk the line between big corporate money and policies that address the danger of corporate money and its influence.
that;s an oxymoron, how can you trade on big money, and not represent big money?
 
I actually agree with BAC here. Sanders is a socialist and I don't think following a super far left socialist agenda would be good for Dems. They seem to be embracing his and Trumps populist message however.

So dems are now moving to the center. They still haven't fought the in party civil war like Repubs did, so they are still struggling for a unifying message. Right now it is just, Not Trump. That hasn't worked very well yet in special elections. Hopefully the party will continue to move and give up on the useless SJW movement, and BLM movements.

These movements are scaring off moderates, and causing them to lose elections. Most Americans right or left, don't want to throw support behind a party that is anti-police/Military, and wants to censure language and keep people from using "microaggressions".

I think if the Dems ran a moderate centrist candidate they would have easily beaten Trump. I would have voted for Jim Webb for example, over Trump. Maccron found this in his victories in France.
 
she's an attack dog. but she's got the necessary requirements for Democrats-black liberal,woman..and she's fresh

It has little to do with her being a black liberal woman, and far more to do with her being a qualified and competent fighter for things she believes.
 
It has little to do with her being a black liberal woman, and far more to do with her being a qualified and competent fighter for things she believes.
lol if she doesn't campaign on black,lib' woman it would be a novelty.
I barely know her I saw her in one of those investigation
 
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